Illogical Conclusions

[Jimmy]

What people are telling you is that if you hold an irrational belief alone, it is a delusion, but that if millions of people have a shared irrational belief, that that is different.

I would agree. It's not that your beliefs are more irrational than virgin births and resurrections, it's just that you are the source of your belief, and the others learned theirs from a book or from clergy.

Your belief seems harmless to me if you don't act on it, so I disagree with those who recommend professional help unless you begin making decisions that affect your resources or safety based in that belief, although I can't imagine what that would be.

Belief in reincarnation sounds near enough to A Groundhog Day existence metaphysics to me to say that neither makes much more or less sense than the other.

I can’t imagine what that would be either. Haha

 

[Mock Turtle]

Much less sense than a man rising from the grave? Your reasoning makes no sense,

As I have said, probably many times, a person supposedly dead but not being so - hence 'rising from the grave' might not be that unusual - tends to happen quite a lot. Your beliefs are off the scale weird.

 

[Jimmy]

As I have said, probably many times, a person supposedly dead but not being so - hence 'rising from the grave' might not be that unusual - tends to happen quite a lot. Your beliefs are off the scale weird.

Oh so now it’s “supposedly”? Ok

 

[Mock Turtle]

Oh so now it’s “supposedly”? Ok

What would I know? You think I have enough information to know either - that his life was as depicted or it was just something written to get followers? But the fact is that many people are declared dead but who subsequently do come back to life - because they weren't actually dead. And the same goes for NDEs.

 

[Jimmy]

A Groundhog Day existence (as your belief seems to be) makes much less sense than any religious belief involving a creator, even if these are also not true.

And by what mechanics do you think this creation is achieved? The way I see it, it’s achieved through me.

 

[Mock Turtle]

And by what mechanics do you think this creation is achieved? The way I see it, it’s achieved through me.

I am a mere mortal, now why would I know this, and especially when I am not a scientist? Your beliefs are more easily explained, in my view, by some delusional thinking. End of story.

 

[Jimmy]

I am a mere mortal, now why would I know this, and especially when I am not a scientist? Your beliefs are more easily explained, in my view, by some delusional thinking. End of story.

More troubling than a man “supposedly” rising from the grave?

 

[Mock Turtle]

More troubling than a man “supposedly” rising from the grave?

As I said, there are many instances of people supposedly being dead but who weren't in recent times, and occurring all around the world. So why would we not expect this to have occurred in the past, especially when their knowledge as to such things was incomparably less than ours? At least this might be a plausible explanation for such 'rising', even if it is unlikely to be the true explanation. Fabrication as to this event is the most likely explanation - given that such might be a good basis to found any religion - the miracle of our saviour, etc.

 

[Jimmy]

As I said, there are many instances of people supposedly being dead but who weren't in recent times, and occurring all around the world. So why would we not expect this to have occurred in the past, especially when their knowledge as to such things was incomparably less than ours? At least this might be a plausible explanation for such 'rising', even if it is unlikely to be the true explanation. Fabrication as to this event is the most likely explanation - given that such might be a good basis to found any religion - the miracle of our saviour, etc.

Well, it’s clear you think Christian’s Have troubling beliefs. Strange that you think mine are more troublesome. Your logic is flawed.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Well, it’s clear you think Christian’s Have troubling beliefs. Strange that you think mine are more troublesome. Your logic is flawed.

Logic is not involved here. I don't accept any religious belief (they are all troubling to my mind), given the multitude of such, the conflicts between the various beliefs, and the actual conflicts that have occurred and continue to occur between peoples having such beliefs. Plus, they seem to be holding back progress as much as they might ever have contributed to progress. Given such, I tend to look at the evidence that we have (and of course, mainly coming from science) - and some kind of origin seems the most likely explanation (the Big Bang), without the sort of interruptions as to which you seem to believe. That just makes more sense to me.

 

[Jimmy]

Logic is not involved here. I don't accept any religious belief (they are all troubling to my mind), given the multitude of such, the conflicts between the various beliefs, and the actual conflicts that have occurred and continue to occur between peoples having such beliefs. Plus, they seem to be holding back progress as much as they might ever have contributed to progress. Given such, I tend to look at the evidence that we have (and of course, mainly coming from science) - and some kind of origin seems the most likely explanation (the Big Bang), without the sort of interruptions as to which you seem to believe. That just makes more sense to me.

What interruptions?

 

[Mock Turtle]

What interruptions?

Groundhog days/periods.