Illusion and Reality

[Brickjectivity]

A form is static a motion is dynamic. So no, I disagree. And yes some days I create threads and some days I just respond. I visit less than I used to

Are you familiar with 2d versus 3d graphs? A 2d graph has 2 variables, one independent and one dependent through the formula like this : y = x *x * x.*47. The y depends upon the values of x. A 3d graph has one more variable, and it can only be graphed in three full dimensions. The formula will look more like this: y=x*x * z * z * z * 87. Such a formula cannot be graphed in only 2 dimensions. The dimensions of a graph are always equal to the number of variables. However many variables you have it will take equal dimensions to graph it.

 

[Fool]

You make a lot of threads and likely cannot remember all of the replies.

Form versus action is meaningless in your question. Every action is permanently set in time, time which never ends as far as anyone can tell. Therefore action is a form, and every act is a form of its own. There are no classes of forms, nor are there separate actions (physically). All are connected like branches connect to a trunk. For example the kind man who is nice is in the same universe as the mean man who is not. We try to find similar actions and think of them in classes, but that's us.

Yes I understand Planck's constant which is basically like a snapshot of a lemniscate film.

 

[Fool]

Are you familiar with 2d versus 3d graphs? A 2d graph has 2 variables, one independent and one dependent through the formula like this : y = x *x * x.*47. The y depends upon the values of x. A 3d graph has one more variable, and it can only be graphed in three full dimensions. The formula will look more like this: y=x*x * z * z * z * 87. Such a formula cannot be graphed in only 2 dimensions. The dimensions of a graph are always equal to the number of variables. However many variables you have it will take equal dimensions to graph it.

So higher dimensions are unmeasurable and unknowable on lower dimensions

 

[Brickjectivity]

Yes I understand Planck's constant which is basically like a snapshot of a lemniscate film.

Maxwell Planck's constant? No I don't understand it. Its got something to do with atoms and the limits of microscopes.

 

[Brickjectivity]

So higher dimensions are unmeasurable and unknowable on lower dimensions

You can take a slice. You can take a 2d slice of a 3d graph or a 3d slice of a 4d graph. A 3d slice of a 4d graph is a full 3d graph. A 2d slice of a 3d graphi is a full 2d graph. An action can be graphed in 4d. In 5d its merely a slice of a full graph. In 6d its like a dot. Theoretically we are deceived in thinking there is motion at all, and at higher dimensions motion is part of a form.

 

[Yerda]

I think I know what you mean. Our brains are great at misinterpreting what our eyes see - another one (I'm rather fond of these), and I don't know if you have read any of this person's work - worth a look if not but might be dated now:

Richard Gregory - Wikipedia

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When we were decorating I wanted to try painting something like that onto a wall in the bedroom. Girlfriend wasn't so keen so we didn't. Probably for the best; waking up to that every day might not be best-foot-forward material.

 

[Fool]

You can take a slice. You can take a 2d slice of a 3d graph or a 3d slice of a 4d graph. A 3d slice of a 4d graph is a full 3d graph. A 2d slice of a 3d graphi is a full 2d graph. An action can be graphed in 4d. In 5d its merely a slice of a full graph. In 6d its like a dot. Theoretically we are deceived in thinking there is motion at all, and at higher dimensions motion is part of a form.

Yes, I understand dimensions

 

[Brickjectivity]

Yes, I understand dimensions

Ok, not everybody does. All I'm saying is that what seems like motion in 4d might not in 5d.

 

[Fool]

Ok, not everybody does. All I'm saying is that what seems like motion in 4d might not in 5d.

I was introduced to it via tertium organum by pd ouspensky and

 

[Brickjectivity]

I was introduced to it via tertium organum by pd ouspensky and

I can imagine we are made of atoms but that outside of time they appear as smears across time and space, the cross sections of which appear as atoms in a given moment to us in this lower dimension. That is one way I could imagine our world which seems to have motion not having any. The longer the atom lasts, the larger it is in time. A stable isotope is larger in time than an unstable one. It might also weave in and out of a moment appearing in multiple places at once or seem to spin or to move in multiple directions at the same time, but it would actually be a stationary smear in the higher dimension.

 

[MonkeyFire]

I believe the universe is kept by flux capacitation. There are only so many shapes and colors, thus there are only so many forms.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Like this (if you haven't seen it before, there is no movement)?

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Mind-bending optical illusion makes stationary cubes appear to move | Metro News

Probably should have hidden that behind a warning - if admin can do such?

 

[Straw Dog]

are forms illusory and fleeting while action is reality?

Forms are merely forms. They only become illusions based on our interpretations.

Consider a lucid dream. You believe that the forms are substantial up until the point of clarity in which you realize that you are dreaming. The forms in the dream don’t change. Your mind does.