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I'm curious -- are you well-informed?

Do you look at multiple news sources (from different political viewpoint)?

  • I regularly read/listen to news sources from both sides of the political spectrum

    Votes: 25 69.4%
  • I listen primarily/only to news sources from my side of the political spectrum

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • I pay no attention to news sources of any kind

    Votes: 3 8.3%
  • I get my news from my social networks on the internet

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • I make up my mind without listening to what anybody thinks -- including those I vote for

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • Total voters
    36

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Do you know what "the other side" thinks, or do you believe they think what your "side" says they think? How could you find out what they think? Well, I suppose you could watch their channels, and read their press.

But it very often seems to me that people, having once decided where they stand politically, restrict all of their information gathering to sources that tell them what they've already decided on. No true "liberal" would watch Fox News, would they? (I do.) No true "conservative" could stand more than 11 seconds of CNN. (I'm a liberal, and I admit I find it hard, too, but I listen anyway.)

I read 3 newspapers in my home town -- two of them consistently conservative, one consistently liberal. There's another, but it's so rabidly left-wing that I don't read it, in fact.

So, how about you? Do you really know what "they" think -- before you decide that "they" are wrong?
I don't watch much news on TV, but I admit I like to watch Rachel Maddow on MSNBC, even though she has cut down to only one day a week. That's fine with me, I don't want to overload myself with cable TV "news". What cable TV news provides is more opinion than news. I never watch the Fox Cable Network. I wouldn't be able to stomach Carlson, Hannity, and Ingraham in prime time from what I have heard. They are now at the center of a scandal where they knowingly lied about the last presidential election. I also like to watch on TV Fareed Zakaria GPS on CNN because of the world perspective he provides.

I get most of my news online. The most neutral place perhaps is AP, though I do dip into CNN. I also watch Al Jazeera for world news, though I realize it has it's limitations. After all it is funded by Qatar. It played up the World Cup for all its worth, of course because the World Cup was played in Qatar. It also said nothing about the scandals surrounding that event. I got that information from CNN. I'm sure also that Middle East stories are biased. I need to look at other places to get a more balanced view on that. I haven't done enough of that I don't think.

But I also don't want to turn into a news junkie. As a result, I have some unbalance in my sources.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Do you know what "the other side" thinks, or do you believe they think what your "side" says they think? How could you find out what they think? Well, I suppose you could watch their channels, and read their press.

But it very often seems to me that people, having once decided where they stand politically, restrict all of their information gathering to sources that tell them what they've already decided on. No true "liberal" would watch Fox News, would they? (I do.) No true "conservative" could stand more than 11 seconds of CNN. (I'm a liberal, and I admit I find it hard, too, but I listen anyway.)

I read 3 newspapers in my home town -- two of them consistently conservative, one consistently liberal. There's another, but it's so rabidly left-wing that I don't read it, in fact.

So, how about you? Do you really know what "they" think -- before you decide that "they" are wrong?
I listen to the news only to find what has happened. I do not listen to "analysis and views" part of the news where all the political biases exist (yes that 90% of news...so I ignore 90% of news). If I really want know what experts think on why something happened or is happening, I go to google scholar and read technical documents, papers etc on the topic where at least some rigorous ways of analysis are given for a conclusion that I can check. Those technical documents may be from various (conservative or liberal) sources or think tanks. But at least by reading several of them together, I can form my own views in a more fact based manner than news channel analysis watching.
 

Sedim Haba

Outa here... bye-bye!
***STAFF EDIT***
I don't trust any 'news'
It's all fake, to some degree, all slanted
I don't care anymore...

That's the ultimate middle finger. To all of it. Don't care.
 
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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
And I have to say, from my own observations (incomplete though they might be), you are quite right. And yet, as I write this, over 81% of responders claim to keep themselves informed. 'Tis a surprise, a veritable surprise, I tell you.

Couple of things...

1) people probably overestimate how 'fair' they are in listening to both sides, etc.

2) if the question is specifically 'do I offset leftie media by listening to righties', then I'd say no. I read sources like The Conversation, The Hill, ABC Australia...but most of my opinion and discussion comes from podcasts. The Fifth Column is far from a left wing source (it's also not Trumpist). And The Lost Debate network more specifically includes both progressive and conservative views. But my 'conservative views' are definitely more libertarian right than religious right. I need to hear arguments Incan connect with, even if ultimately I disagree with much of them.

3) I increasingly struggle with more direct left bias. I lean left, and want to believe left arguments can stand up to scrutiny. Hence libertarians are filling an important void for me, since the far right are...umm...nuts. Left wing pandering is not convincing. The exception.is if it is funny, since I'm listening for amusement.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Do you know what "the other side" thinks, or do you believe they think what your "side" says they think? How could you find out what they think? Well, I suppose you could watch their channels, and read their press.

But it very often seems to me that people, having once decided where they stand politically, restrict all of their information gathering to sources that tell them what they've already decided on. No true "liberal" would watch Fox News, would they? (I do.) No true "conservative" could stand more than 11 seconds of CNN. (I'm a liberal, and I admit I find it hard, too, but I listen anyway.)

I read 3 newspapers in my home town -- two of them consistently conservative, one consistently liberal. There's another, but it's so rabidly left-wing that I don't read it, in fact.

So, how about you? Do you really know what "they" think -- before you decide that "they" are wrong?

The News I read is mostly internet articles that appear in Microsoft Edge toolbar link on the bottom right of a Windows computer at work. I will also read the top 4-6 articles at FOX. I will spend much more time at MSN, because the pop up has more variety of opinions, from a wider range of News and Opinion sources.

Fox is much different now, from a few years ago, leading its web page more with human interest stories; Murdock Trial. It also presents a few Right leaning stories about the Republican Committees in the House and the Liberal city and state problem; crime, the Mayor of Chicago being recalled, to businesses fleeing the expensive Left leaning cities and states. MSN is more politically orientated, in comparison to FOX. But it does present about 25% Right leaning articles, often from the reporters at FOX.

What I notice is the Left opinion articles, tend to blow the most hot air up the skirts of its hard core base. it is more opinion that fact. The Right is in better times and the Left is more on defense. MSN also seems to avoid articles such as the Republican House Committees grilling members of the left. AG Garland is being interviewed about going after Conservatives and the Catholic Church with the FBI, but not investigating and prosecuting even single Lefty for attacking churches or family clinics. You need to go to FOX to see that. This is important, but the Left is on radio silence. Big Brother is watching. There is also Fauci news about the origins of COVID, connected to China. Both FOX and MSN are presenting this. but MNS is maintaining doubt.

MSN, sometimes gives me the feel; vibe, of too much damage control, and not enough about objective reporting. The exception is the Ukraine War, the bad weather, and some opinion pieces about inflation and the economy, and some good articles on science topics.

When the Democrats controlled the committees, there was much better reporting on MSN, about the Jan 6, trials, with FOX being more balanced. FOX would not be there all day, but would report the days activity, while also presenting opinion counter points. This is not how MSN is dealing with the shoe on the other foot. They seem to have marching orders for radio silence.

One interesting story is how Speaker McCarthy gave FOX News Super Star; Tucker Carlson, the video feed from the Jan 6 riots, so he and his team, can look at the video with fresh eyes; Conservative cherry picking to balance Liberal Cherry picking. On both FOX and MSN, articles tell how the Left is up in arms about this video release revealing Capital security secrets.

This claim of revealing security secrets makes no sense, since that old security did not work, when these videos were made. Dah, we had riots and an invasion of the Capital with that security under Pelosi. I would have to assume the boneheads, have already learned from their security mistakes, and have updated the entire security to something newer and much better, that will not be on any old video, that was given to Tucker. This tells me the Left is doing damage control, since there may be some things on the video, they have not shown to the public that ma be damming to them. Kangaroo courts do better in the dark.

I watched Tucker last night, but he is not yet presenting his findings, since he is trying to do it right, and not run short term propaganda for ratings, to to feed the hungry mob. I had not seen his show in months since I have stayed away from TV news. Running too fast and loose, was more like what the Left did, before all the evidence was in.

Tucker must have something and is waiting to create one of his mini-series, of the best video content, and not just go fast out of the blocks for quickie political propaganda. I wonder if Tucker will get a Pulitzer Prize or is that prize still based on the best propaganda; prize for the best support of the collusion coup? Tucker has a chance to bring back good old fashion investigative reporting. This may be why he was chosen.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
The News I read is mostly internet articles that appear in Microsoft Edge toolbar link on the bottom right of a Windows computer at work. I will also read the top 4-6 articles at FOX. I will spend much more time at MSN, because the pop up has more variety of opinions, from a wider range of News and Opinion sources.

Fox is much different now, from a few years ago, leading its web page more with human interest stories; Murdock Trial. It also presents a few Right leaning stories about the Republican Committees in the House and the Liberal city and state problem; crime, the Mayor of Chicago being recalled, to businesses fleeing the expensive Left leaning cities and states. MSN is more politically orientated, in comparison to FOX. But it does present about 25% Right leaning articles, often from the reporters at FOX.

What I notice is the Left opinion articles, tend to blow the most hot air up the skirts of its hard core base. it is more opinion that fact. The Right is in better times and the Left is more on defense. MSN also seems to avoid articles such as the Republican House Committees grilling members of the left. AG Garland is being interviewed about going after Conservatives and the Catholic Church with the FBI, but not investigating and prosecuting even single Lefty for attacking churches or family clinics. You need to go to FOX to see that. This is important, but the Left is on radio silence. Big Brother is watching. There is also Fauci news about the origins of COVID, connected to China. Both FOX and MSN are presenting this. but MNS is maintaining doubt.

MSN, sometimes gives me the feel; vibe, of too much damage control, and not enough about objective reporting. The exception is the Ukraine War, the bad weather, and some opinion pieces about inflation and the economy, and some good articles on science topics.

When the Democrats controlled the committees, there was much better reporting on MSN, about the Jan 6, trials, with FOX being more balanced. FOX would not be there all day, but would report the days activity, while also presenting opinion counter points. This is not how MSN is dealing with the shoe on the other foot. They seem to have marching orders for radio silence.

One interesting story is how Speaker McCarthy gave FOX News Super Star; Tucker Carlson, the video feed from the Jan 6 riots, so he and his team, can look at the video with fresh eyes; Conservative cherry picking to balance Liberal Cherry picking. On both FOX and MSN, articles tell how the Left is up in arms about this video release revealing Capital security secrets.

This claim of revealing security secrets makes no sense, since that old security did not work, when these videos were made. Dah, we had riots and an invasion of the Capital with that security under Pelosi. I would have to assume the boneheads, have already learned from their security mistakes, and have updated the entire security to something newer and much better, that will not be on any old video, that was given to Tucker. This tells me the Left is doing damage control, since there may be some things on the video, they have not shown to the public that ma be damming to them. Kangaroo courts do better in the dark.

I watched Tucker last night, but he is not yet presenting his findings, since he is trying to do it right, and not run short term propaganda for ratings, to to feed the hungry mob. I had not seen his show in months since I have stayed away from TV news. Running too fast and loose, was more like what the Left did, before all the evidence was in.

Tucker must have something and is waiting to create one of his mini-series, of the best video content, and not just go fast out of the blocks for quickie political propaganda. I wonder if Tucker will get a Pulitzer Prize or is that prize still based on the best propaganda; prize for the best support of the collusion coup? Tucker has a chance to bring back good old fashion investigative reporting. This may be why he was chosen.
Odd, I watched the entirety of yesterday's testimony by Garland -- but I didn't have to go anywhere near Fox to do so. It is broadcast on PBS. Do you know who tried to put the most lies into Garland's mouth? So much so that it was embarrassing to watch? Why, that would be Republican Ted Cruz. Cruz did his level best to try to convince his base (since that's who he was really talking to) that the department operates completely differently than it does, and that the AG personally gets involved in every issue. IT IS TO LAUGH! Do you have ANY idea how many hours a day Garland would have to work to do that? In the hundreds? Thousands? (By the way, do you remember how many hours there actually are in a day?)

And even now, though you seem entirely unaware of it, the actual emails floating around Fox that shows the hosts actively and KNOWINGLY told lies and pretended that they were news -- and that is a direct threat to American democracy. Check out the Dominion Voting Systems case.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Do you know what "the other side" thinks, or do you believe they think what your "side" says they think? How could you find out what they think? Well, I suppose you could watch their channels, and read their press.

But it very often seems to me that people, having once decided where they stand politically, restrict all of their information gathering to sources that tell them what they've already decided on. No true "liberal" would watch Fox News, would they? (I do.) No true "conservative" could stand more than 11 seconds of CNN. (I'm a liberal, and I admit I find it hard, too, but I listen anyway.)

I read 3 newspapers in my home town -- two of them consistently conservative, one consistently liberal. There's another, but it's so rabidly left-wing that I don't read it, in fact.

So, how about you? Do you really know what "they" think -- before you decide that "they" are wrong?
I watch Fox News sometimes to see what the talking points are for the day. And inevitably, when I log onto social media the next day, I see those talking points parroted, word for word, all over the place.

Honestly I find Fox News and CNN to be pretty similar in that they have talking heads blathering away all day long about their opinions, with very little actual news being presented.
I prefer in-depth print material. I guess I'm old school.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
The News I read is mostly internet articles that appear in Microsoft Edge toolbar link on the bottom right of a Windows computer at work. I will also read the top 4-6 articles at FOX. I will spend much more time at MSN, because the pop up has more variety of opinions, from a wider range of News and Opinion sources.

Fox is much different now, from a few years ago, leading its web page more with human interest stories; Murdock Trial. It also presents a few Right leaning stories about the Republican Committees in the House and the Liberal city and state problem; crime, the Mayor of Chicago being recalled, to businesses fleeing the expensive Left leaning cities and states. MSN is more politically orientated, in comparison to FOX. But it does present about 25% Right leaning articles, often from the reporters at FOX.

What I notice is the Left opinion articles, tend to blow the most hot air up the skirts of its hard core base. it is more opinion that fact. The Right is in better times and the Left is more on defense. MSN also seems to avoid articles such as the Republican House Committees grilling members of the left. AG Garland is being interviewed about going after Conservatives and the Catholic Church with the FBI, but not investigating and prosecuting even single Lefty for attacking churches or family clinics. You need to go to FOX to see that. This is important, but the Left is on radio silence. Big Brother is watching. There is also Fauci news about the origins of COVID, connected to China. Both FOX and MSN are presenting this. but MNS is maintaining doubt.

MSN, sometimes gives me the feel; vibe, of too much damage control, and not enough about objective reporting. The exception is the Ukraine War, the bad weather, and some opinion pieces about inflation and the economy, and some good articles on science topics.

When the Democrats controlled the committees, there was much better reporting on MSN, about the Jan 6, trials, with FOX being more balanced. FOX would not be there all day, but would report the days activity, while also presenting opinion counter points. This is not how MSN is dealing with the shoe on the other foot. They seem to have marching orders for radio silence.

One interesting story is how Speaker McCarthy gave FOX News Super Star; Tucker Carlson, the video feed from the Jan 6 riots, so he and his team, can look at the video with fresh eyes; Conservative cherry picking to balance Liberal Cherry picking. On both FOX and MSN, articles tell how the Left is up in arms about this video release revealing Capital security secrets.

This claim of revealing security secrets makes no sense, since that old security did not work, when these videos were made. Dah, we had riots and an invasion of the Capital with that security under Pelosi. I would have to assume the boneheads, have already learned from their security mistakes, and have updated the entire security to something newer and much better, that will not be on any old video, that was given to Tucker. This tells me the Left is doing damage control, since there may be some things on the video, they have not shown to the public that ma be damming to them. Kangaroo courts do better in the dark.

I watched Tucker last night, but he is not yet presenting his findings, since he is trying to do it right, and not run short term propaganda for ratings, to to feed the hungry mob. I had not seen his show in months since I have stayed away from TV news. Running too fast and loose, was more like what the Left did, before all the evidence was in.

Tucker must have something and is waiting to create one of his mini-series, of the best video content, and not just go fast out of the blocks for quickie political propaganda. I wonder if Tucker will get a Pulitzer Prize or is that prize still based on the best propaganda; prize for the best support of the collusion coup? Tucker has a chance to bring back good old fashion investigative reporting. This may be why he was chosen.
Hmm, well Tucker Carlson was sued once for defamation. You know what his lawyer argued?
That no reasonable viewer would take him seriously. Sydney Powell's lawyer recently argued along similar lines.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7216968/9-24-20-McDougal-v-Fox-Opinion.pdf
The Kraken Cracks Under Pressure: Sidney Powell Claims No Reasonable Person Would Conclude That [Her] Statements Were Truly Statements of Fact | Georgia Secretary of State
Hmmm ...
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Hmm, well Tucker Carlson was sued once for defamation. You know what his lawyer argued?
That no reasonable viewer would take him seriously. Sydney Powell's lawyer recently argued along similar lines.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7216968/9-24-20-McDougal-v-Fox-Opinion.pdf
The Kraken Cracks Under Pressure: Sidney Powell Claims No Reasonable Person Would Conclude That [Her] Statements Were Truly Statements of Fact | Georgia Secretary of State
Hmmm ...
That defense has a name. Not an official one of course, but if you ever want to find this sort of story again simply Google search "Tucker Carlson Defense".
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Do you know what "the other side" thinks, or do you believe they think what your "side" says they think? How could you find out what they think? Well, I suppose you could watch their channels, and read their press.

But it very often seems to me that people, having once decided where they stand politically, restrict all of their information gathering to sources that tell them what they've already decided on. No true "liberal" would watch Fox News, would they? (I do.) No true "conservative" could stand more than 11 seconds of CNN. (I'm a liberal, and I admit I find it hard, too, but I listen anyway.)

I read 3 newspapers in my home town -- two of them consistently conservative, one consistently liberal. There's another, but it's so rabidly left-wing that I don't read it, in fact.

So, how about you? Do you really know what "they" think -- before you decide that "they" are wrong?
I still like Randi Rhodes and miss Ed Shultz, the Rush Limbaugh of the left.

RIp to both of them
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't care what "they" think.

I care what "they" actually do.

And in my state, that record speaks for itself. Unemployment benefits? Slashed - we're now on the bottom of the pile in the nation. Public education? Continuously under-funded - what was once in the top of the nation is now also sliding down into the bottom of the pile. Oh, and let's divert public money to private religious schools because why not. Clean water? Forget it - industrial agriculture is the controlling interest and a record number of lakes on public lands had to be closed last year. Basic human rights? Public safety? Ridiculous - beyond enshrining gun rights over basic human rights this past election, now the legislature is going to allow guns on the grounds of all schools and businesses because reasons.
I feel the same way. It's one thing to talk.

Another thing to actually do.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
And I have to say, from my own observations (incomplete though they might be), you are quite right. And yet, as I write this, over 81% of responders claim to keep themselves informed. 'Tis a surprise, a veritable surprise, I tell you.
It relates to that Durning Kroger thingie...or whatever it's called.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I get a lot of news on the Internet without trying as we do here on RF, and I watch two network broadcasts a day, but only out of curiosity and to pass time in the evenings. Almost none of the news is relevant any more, which was much of the point in expatriating. I don't want to see people being blown up or crushed to death, and how many more mass killings, police shootings, and house-crushing storms does one want to see?

Do you know what "the other side" thinks

Yes, I know the Republicans' agenda, values, and methods. They are anti-American. They are antithetical to multiple core American principles such as democracy, egalitarianism, the rule of law, and church-state separation. They are enemy to the purpose of the federal government the Constitution's preamble . As a result, I have no more interest in what they want than I do in what Putin or the Taliban want for America, and for the same reason.

And the same holds true for those who vote for them. I just sent this in an email to a local group, all also living in Mexico, but none for the reason I do:

American life is becoming an increasingly poor value, and we can expect it to get worse as long as Americans keep electing Republicans. The hapless voters gave the House back to the Republicans and put Biden's remarkable agenda of the previous two years in mothballs for the next two. How long before they give both houses of Congress and the White House back to their enemies and oppressors, at which point the Republicans can begin rolling back more protective regulation, undermining the social safety net further, and giving the wealthy more tax breaks? Maybe the Republicans can get the infrastructure package scuttled and insulin back up into the stratosphere. Do people who vote like that deserve better? Struggling with medical bills? They keep electing people that don't want them to have that coverage.

And those who know better and live among them have to decide where they want to live. Are liberals willing to live in a red state like Texas or Florida? How much better is life in California or New York? You all know my solution. Hitch your wagon to a better star. Leave the country if you can.

I routinely recommend expatriation to young Americans in my online discussion forums. Move to a different country now, one whose government provides cradle to grave benefits to its citizens for a lifetime of labor and good citizenship, and then retire there in a few decades. That's a much better value than what Americans get for their efforts. As best I can tell, only Americans are moving to Mexico in large numbers because of the cost of living differences. Our Canadian snowbirds seem to be here mostly for the weather, and I see few Europeans. No Danes or Swedes that I know of, for example, are looking for financial or social refuge in Mexico.
Like you, I also saw Cruz on the TV in Congress questioning Garland, but I left the TV mute. Why would I want to listen to Cruz about anything? Later, I saw a written report of the event. Exactly what one would predict from most Congressional Republicans.
 
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