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Immaculate birth of Jesus?

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
You said... Oh my, you appear to be conflating "facts" with dogma.
Subduction Zone I hope all is well...
I reply: Nope I quote scriptures! No conflating here! Scriptures cannot conflict; Fact: Jesus is always with his Church and His Church will never fail!
 

The Spirit of Truth

The Spirit of Truth
Dognox 20 said
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Matthew 1:14 Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,

Akim the father of Elihud,

15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,

Eleazar the father of Matthan,

Matthan the father of Jacob,

16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah
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The Spirit of Truth A father gains the title "Father" only when a mother gives birth!
God (Father) is spirit
The Word is Spirit
The Holy Spirit is Spirit
God is Spirit!

"The Word" became flesh and lived among us! God became flesh to save us! The first perfect man sinned he brought corruption into God "Perfect Creation"! God does all things perfectly otherwise he would not be God! God created all things perfectly! But...

The Spirit of Truth
but the first perfect man "Freely" decided to sin; this sin of Adam brought imperfection into God' perfect creation! Sin and death entered creation by man! Thus, we needed a second perfect man to correct the fault of the first perfect man! Only God is perfect! Jesus was sinless he was perfect; death could not hold Jesus "Wages of sin is death!"
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Matthew 1:14 Azor the father of Zadok,


Matthew 1:14 confirms what I said. If Joseph was only the husband of Mary, not Jesus’ father, as Pauline Christians claim in contradiction of Isaiah 42:1 and 11:1a, then Jesus was not even a Jew, which is a nonsense in itself.
Jesus was only The Way, He was not the Truth until one of the many branches that grew out of His roots Isa 11:1b and 53:10 was chosen as Comforter, i.e., the Spirit of Truth John 16:13. When the Comforter was chosen on the death of the prince of this world in 1945, Judgement began John 16:11. Jesus’ Spirit is now the Truth, the Branch, Helper, Comforter, Christ, Jews Messiah, Spirit of Truth, and the Holy Ghost but definitely not the Holy Spirit, which is God.
At the moment of conception the women becomes the mother of the embryo and the man becomes the father
In what way do you believe Adam sinned? I will tell you. Neither God nor satan could talk into the mind of women except via men. (That is why Women were not to teach men) God inspired Adam, His first host, that he and his future sons were to protect women from the lies and temptation that satan’s first host, (the serpent) might offer. Adam was to and did, convey this message to Eve and warned her that there would be severe consequences if they did. Unsurprisingly, Eve was tempted when satan mentally seduced her and she conceived with his half good and half evil son Cain. So, in what way did Adam sin? Although Adam failed to protect Eve, when he saw that Eve did not die as God warned him they would, he also partook of the forbidden fruit. However, as the Bible maintains, it was Eve who first disobeyed her husband and God.
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me that he will make known to you.

The Spirit of Truth The Spirit of "Truth" came to the Church at Pentecost!
Acts 2:1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

The Holy Spirit "The Spirit of Truth" came to the One Church Jesus established on Rock and remains forever, never leave her!

Eve did not keep the command Adam gave to her; This proves Eve did not love Adam!
Adam did not love God and Eve did not love Adam and Adam did not love Eve! They were removed from the Garden because Only Love can remain there!
 
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Muffled

Jesus in me
You need to try to argue rationally and logically. It does not matter what you believe. You were taught a fairy tale and now you are reacting emotionally to that fact. The Gospel of Luke says that the census was the first Roman Census in Judea. We know when that was 6 CE. The Gospel of.Luke says that the census was when Quirinius first became governor of Syria. That was in 6 CE. I can support this with multiple historical sources. We know the historian that recorded this and it is one that Christians trust.

You have no reliable evidence. And it is the text of the Bible.

I have heard it said that there is no historical source for that census.

I believe then that whenever the first census was held is not known. So the conclusion is that a 6BC date is only speculation.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I have heard it said that there is no historical source for that census.

I believe then that whenever the first census was held is not known. So the conclusion is that a 6BC date is only speculation.
Oh my! Prove it! I do know who the source is. Here is hint, it is one that Christians site as being reliable quite often.

Where do you get this nonsense from?
 
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