Impeachment for Trump

[Revoltingest]

This is a highly unusual campaign.

Aye, that it is.
But then it is to Hillary's discredit that she doesn't denounce Kaine's support for her.

Speaking of denouncements, I wonder how it is that Obama & Hillary can accept support from rappers who push rape & racism, yet they remain untarnished in the mainstream press?

 

[Lighthouse]

I find it interesting how we (me included) make a big deal about when and how Trump denounces people like David Duke. Did he denounce them quickly enough and when did he do it etc. But no one seems to bring up the point that Donald Trump has never denounced bigots like Mike Pence. And make no mistake about it, Mike Pence is just as much a bigot as David Duke. The only difference is that sadly Pence's flavour of bigotry is more socially acceptable than Dukes.

Because Pence likes religious freedom rights, he's a bigot? I think that many are intolerant of harmless religious rights.

 

[Lighthouse]

Aye, that it is.
But then it is to Hillary's discredit that she doesn't denounce Kaine's support for her.

Speaking of denouncements, I wonder how it is that Obama & Hillary can accept support from rappers who push rape & racism, yet they remain untarnished in the mainstream press?

Strange, it is.

 

[Revoltingest]

Because Pence likes religious freedom rights, he's a bigot? I think that many are intolerant of harmless religious rights.

I don't think advocating religious freedom is his problem.
His anti-gay stance is though.

 

[fantome profane]

Because Pence likes religious freedom rights, he's a bigot? I think that many are intolerant of harmless religious rights.

This is about more than just religious rights, although that bill is part of it. Pence has been opposed to the LGBT community on every issue in every way. From being served at lunch counters, to the right to marriage, to housing rights, to employment rights, to the right to medical care, to the right to just not get beaten up in the streets. Pence has been on the wrong side of all these issues.

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/07/mike-pence-wanted-divert-hivaids-money-fund-conversion-therapy/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-lgbt-vote_us_578904bee4b0867123e0f507

 

[Lighthouse]

I don't think advocating religious freedom is his problem.
His anti-gay stance is though.

Do you believe Pence is in the same likes as Duke, that he is intolerant of, opposed to, and against gays?
Most politicians were once recently in favor of anti-gay policies. Minds evolve and shift. I see him as accepting of them and fighting for religious rights will automatically make many people assume bigotry.

 

[fantome profane]

Do you believe Pence is in the same likes as Duke, that he is intolerant of, opposed to, and against gays?
Most politicians were once recently in favor of anti-gay policies. Minds evolve and shift. I see him as accepting of them and fighting for religious rights will automatically make many people assume bigotry.

As I said, sadly Pence's flavour of bigotry is more socially acceptable.

 

[Lighthouse]

This is about more than just religious rights, although that bill is part of it. Pence has been opposed to the LGBT community on every issue in every way. From being served at lunch counters, to the right to marriage, to housing rights, to employment rights, to the right to medical care, to the right to just not get beaten up in the streets. Pence has been on the wrong side of all these issues.

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/07/mike-pence-wanted-divert-hivaids-money-fund-conversion-therapy/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-lgbt-vote_us_578904bee4b0867123e0f507

The media likes to distort things. It will make you think things that don't even exist to stir people up.

Like the conversion therapy, it's portrayed as if he's some raging bigot who wants to try to convert gay people into becoming straight. When it's really regarding better sexual practice to prevent the spread of aids from anal sex and tax dollars saved.

Why condemn a guy as a bigot for wanting less aids spread?

 

[Lighthouse]

This is about more than just religious rights, although that bill is part of it. Pence has been opposed to the LGBT community on every issue in every way. From being served at lunch counters, to the right to marriage, to housing rights, to employment rights, to the right to medical care, to the right to just not get beaten up in the streets. Pence has been on the wrong side of all these issues.

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/07/mike-pence-wanted-divert-hivaids-money-fund-conversion-therapy/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-lgbt-vote_us_578904bee4b0867123e0f507

It's his right to believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. Nothing bigot about it as long as LGBT's still have the same rights as "married" couples do. It's basically a useless fight over the definition of a word. I never understood the ordeal myself, if God is all-knowing God would deem who is married and who is not anyhow even if LGBT's were married.

 

[fantome profane]

The media likes to distort things. It will make you think things that don't even exist to stir people up.

Like the conversion therapy, it's portrayed as if he's some raging bigot who wants to try to convert gay people into becoming straight. When it's really regarding better sexual practice to prevent the spread of aids from anal sex and tax dollars saved.

Why condemn a guy as a bigot for wanting less aids spread?

It's his right to believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. Nothing bigot about it as long as LGBT's still have the same rights as "married" couples do. It's basically a useless fight over the definition of a word. I never understood the ordeal myself, if God is all-knowing God would deem who is married and who is not anyhow even if LGBT's were married.

Total nonsense.

 

[Riders]

Ima recovering sex addict do you know how many men suggested to that we do anal sex because I'm fat and they like fat bottoms? Tons and tons of heterosexual people do anal sex!

Im sure theres a lot of Gay people namely Lesbians thankyou who don't do anal sex.

If they where condums they don't have very much rish anyways.

If you think aids is all about Gay people and anal sex you are nuts.

Its almost like a fad amoung men who have illicit sex with big women, fat bottomed girl to do it in the &*(!

I cant believe you said that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's his right to believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. Nothing bigot about it as long as LGBT's still have the same rights as "married" couples do. It's basically a useless fight over the definition of a word. I never understood the ordeal myself, if God is all-knowing God would deem who is married and who is not anyhow even if LGBT's were married.

It is people's rights to believe that. But Pence took it several steps further. He made it so that if you believe that, you can legally discriminate in the name of it. He gave "Christians" (of course the language wasn't specific, but the discourse makes it obvious) a special right, an extra right, and that is the right to discriminate just as long as it's a part of your religion. When "gay cake row" was a thing, Pence wanted to make sure he offered protections to those who would discriminate against the LBGT community. Of course they don't see it as discrimination, but "freely practicing their religion," but the facts are it has already been ruled by the Supreme Court that it doesn't matter your excuse, you can't discriminate against a number of qualifiers, even if you have a religious objection against someone.

 

[Twilight Hue]

When "gay cake row" was a thing, Pence wanted to make sure he offered protections to those who would discriminate against the LBGT community. Of course they don't see it as discrimination, but "freely practicing their religion," but the facts are it has already been ruled by the Supreme Court that it doesn't matter your excuse, you can't discriminate against a number of qualifiers, even if you have a religious objection against someone.

The cake example is interesting.

To not bake a cake for a gay man or lesbian woman would be blatant discrimination. I'd agree with that.

However the theme itself might be different by which it would go against one's religious principles.

I don't think people should be forced against their will on matters within reason which imo is discriminatory itself in that it villifies one's personal religious choices not to do or engage in certain things.

 

[Lighthouse]

It is people's rights to believe that. But Pence took it several steps further. He made it so that if you believe that, you can legally discriminate in the name of it. He gave "Christians" (of course the language wasn't specific, but the discourse makes it obvious) a special right, an extra right, and that is the right to discriminate just as long as it's a part of your religion. When "gay cake row" was a thing, Pence wanted to make sure he offered protections to those who would discriminate against the LBGT community. Of course they don't see it as discrimination, but "freely practicing their religion," but the facts are it has already been ruled by the Supreme Court that it doesn't matter your excuse, you can't discriminate against a number of qualifiers, even if you have a religious objection against someone.

You honestly think his purpose was to want and approve of people intentionally and legally discriminating against other people?

The media really does have a stronghold on minds. That's what they'd love for many to believe and see it as, and sadly many do. It is discrimination against LGBT's when they are blatantly used to promote agenda.

Gay cake row is ridiculous in my opinion, so many people are so easily offended. They can simply go to a different cake shop, or buy their own frosting and write on their own cake rather than create and stir hatred and divide. People act like these cases are abundant and that this is the goal of certain politicians.

 

[Lighthouse]

Ima recovering sex addict do you know how many men suggested to that we do anal sex because I'm fat and they like fat bottoms? Tons and tons of heterosexual people do anal sex!

Im sure theres a lot of Gay people namely Lesbians thankyou who don't do anal sex.

If they where condums they don't have very much rish anyways.

If you think aids is all about Gay people and anal sex you are nuts.

Its almost like a fad amoung men who have illicit sex with big women, fat bottomed girl to do it in the &*(!

I cant believe you said that.

What would you like me to say Riders, that I would love for more AIDS to spread amongst people?

You are coming at me with all sorts of things I don't think or even said.

 

[Lighthouse]

The cake example is interesting.

To not bake a cake for a gay man or lesbian woman would be blatant discrimination. I'd agree with that.

However the theme itself might be different by which it would go against one's religious principles.

I don't think people should be forced against their will on matters within reason which imo is discriminatory itself in that it villifies one's personal religious choices not to do or engage in certain things.

I agree, to refuse service would be discrimination.
People are just fine with discriminating against harmless religious beliefs.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you believe Pence is in the same likes as Duke, that he is intolerant of, opposed to, and against gays?

Duke is much more notorious, but I don't know enuf to compare them.

Most politicians were once recently in favor of anti-gay policies. Minds evolve and shift. I see him as accepting of them and fighting for religious rights will automatically make many people assume bigotry.

Even Hillary only recently reversed her opposition to gay marriage.
But I don't call Pence a "bigot".
I just differ with him on issues like gay rights & abortion.

 

[Father Heathen]

If the people made their bed, let the people lie in it.

 

[Riders]

What would you like me to say Riders, that I would love for more AIDS to spread amongst people?

You are coming at me with all sorts of things I don't think or even said.

I would love for more aids to spread amoung people? So in other words you don't believe heterosexuals get aids or have anal sex? Spread more around, that is really ignorant and sad.

It has spread around to a lot of different people. This is what our problem with aids is, people who refuse to see and want to blame Gay people for aids.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't think people should be forced against their will on matters within reason which imo is discriminatory itself in that it villifies one's personal religious choices not to do or engage in certain things.

When it comes to black people, women, veterans, age, and other things, we've already told people tough ****.