Impeachment

[Prometheus85]

In response to Nancy Pelosi announcing Thursday that she was instructing committee chairs to draw up articles of impeachment republicans are accusing democrats of being the real culprits of abusing their power by saying

The Founders began the Constitution with “We the People” for a reason.

Pelosi wants to negate the votes of 63M Americans, all while denying Donald trump due process.

It is the ultimate abuse of power, and all the more reason why Republicans must take back the House in 2020.

 

[fantome profane]

Impeachment was written in as a part of the constitution for a reason. In fact for exactly this reason, to prevent the chief executive from abusing his power to influence the election and to prevent foreign powers from meddling. To not impeach a President who has done what Trump has done would be the ultimate abdication of responsibility and a betrayal of the voters who elected them to Congress.

If Trump’s behaviour is allowed to continue the U.S. will no longer be a sovereign democracy. It will be a puppet state of Russia run by a narcissistic dictator.

 

[Twilight Hue]

In response to Nancy Pelosi announcing Thursday that she was instructing committee chairs to draw up articles of impeachment republicans are accusing democrats of being the real culprits of abusing their power by saying

The Founders began the Constitution with “We the People” for a reason.

Pelosi wants to negate the votes of 63M Americans, all while denying Donald trump due process.

It is the ultimate abuse of power, and all the more reason why Republicans must take back the House in 2020.

Never trust Socialist Democrats. This is not about alleged abuses of Presidential power. Not like anyone already knows that.

Checks and Balances have been eroded looong before Trump took office.


The Unconstrained Presidency: Checks and Balances Eroded Long Before Trump

This was a long time coming and the Socialists want that power back so they can finish off what's left of the Republic. So for now, they are attempting a bloodless coup.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Impeachment was written in as a part of the constitution for a reason. In fact for exactly this reason, to prevent the chief executive from abusing his power to influence the election and to prevent foreign powers from meddling. To not impeach a President who has done what Trump has done would be the ultimate abdication of responsibility and a betrayal of the voters who elected them to Congress.

If Trump’s behaviour is allowed to continue the U.S. will no longer be a sovereign democracy. It will be a puppet state of Russia run by a narcissistic dictator.

Maybe you could join a militia. After watching Red Dawn of course.

 

[fantome profane]

Maybe you could join a militia. After watching Red Dawn of course.

Maybe you could read the constitution.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Maybe you could read the constitution.

I did. There's nothing unconstitutional that Trump did.

Maybe you ought to take a gander since your the constutional expert here to show how royally ignorant I am on these matters.

I'm waiting for the specifics now.

 

[Polymath257]

In response to Nancy Pelosi announcing Thursday that she was instructing committee chairs to draw up articles of impeachment republicans are accusing democrats of being the real culprits of abusing their power by saying

The Founders began the Constitution with “We the People” for a reason.

Pelosi wants to negate the votes of 63M Americans, all while denying Donald trump due process.

It is the ultimate abuse of power, and all the more reason why Republicans must take back the House in 2020.

I hate to break it to you, but this *is* the due process. This is the stage that corresponds to the *investigation* of a crime and delivery to a grand jury. typically, a suspect does NOT get to cross examine at this stage.

It is the Senate trial where due process would be observed: where cross examination and having a lawyer present the case are appropriate.

Impeachment is like an indictment: the grand jury (well, the House) determines is something impeachable has happened. The case then goes to a trial (in this case, in the Senate) with a judge (in this case, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court).

Impeachment was precisely set up to be a political act. If anything, it has been used a lot less than the framers expected.

 

[Prometheus85]

Never trust Socialist Democrats. This is not about alleged abuses of Presidential power. Not like anyone already knows that.

Checks and Balances have been eroded looong before Trump took office.


The Unconstrained Presidency: Checks and Balances Eroded Long Before Trump

This was a long time coming and the Socialists want that power back so they can finish off what's left of the Republic. So for now, they are attempting a bloodless coup.

Um I don’t see your point in linking that article? Because it says trump is in the process of shattering the system of checks and balances that we have relied on. And according to your logic trump obstructing justice is ok and the democrats wanting him to answer for obstructing justice is socialist.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Um I don’t see your point in linking that article? Because it says trump is in the process of shattering the system of checks and balances that we have relied on. And according to your logic trump obstructing justice is ok and the democrats wanting him to answer for obstructing justice is socialist.

The point was to show the president has been givin unilateral expansion of power.

Obama used it.

Now Trump is as well.

The article was to show the imbalance of power did not originate with Trump.

The erosion of checks and balances has been going on for quite a while now.

 

[fantome profane]

I did

Then you know that the house is doing their Constitutionally mandated duty. Make all the noise you want to to the contrary but you know this is what they have to do.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Then you know that the house is doing their Constitutionally mandated duty. Make all the noise you want to to the contrary but you know this is what they have to do.

I'll take that as a no. You can't find anything in the Constitution that Trump violated.

 

[fantome profane]

I'll take that as a no. You can't find anything in the Constitution that Trump violated.

Soliciting a foreign power for aid in the upcoming election.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

This thread is DOA/

Trump is a vulgar narcissist, nativist, sexual predator, pathological liar, and Putin asset who put Ukrainians at risk by seeking to bully its leader for political gain. An article in The Hill notes:

More than 500 law professors have signed an open letter calling President Trump's conduct impeachable the day after Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said that committee chairmen should begin drafting articles of impeachment.

The 520 professors said in the letter posted to Medium that impeachment does not require a crime, but rather an abuse of the public trust.

"There is overwhelming evidence that President Trump betrayed his oath of office by seeking to use presidential power to pressure a foreign government to help him distort an American election, for his personal and political benefit, at the direct expense of national security interests as determined by Congress," the professors wrote.

"His conduct is precisely the type of threat to our democracy that the Founders feared when they included the remedy of impeachment in the Constitution," they added.

Those who whine about impeachment are willfully and radically in denial and no amount of discussion here will change this. For those of us in the US, our responsibility is to educate them at the ballot box and then address thr critical issues of voter suppression, gerrymandering, and the Electoral College.

 

[Jollybear]

In response to Nancy Pelosi announcing Thursday that she was instructing committee chairs to draw up articles of impeachment republicans are accusing democrats of being the real culprits of abusing their power by saying

The Founders began the Constitution with “We the People” for a reason.

Pelosi wants to negate the votes of 63M Americans, all while denying Donald trump due process.

It is the ultimate abuse of power, and all the more reason why Republicans must take back the House in 2020.

"We the people" according to the founders NEVER meant the majority robs the minorities liberties. It meant we the people have individual rights and liberties and those liberties are to be protected from the majority trying to take them away.

 

[Prometheus85]

The point was to show the president has been givin unilateral expansion of power.

Obama used it.

Now Trump is as well.

The article was to show the imbalance of power did not originate with Trump.

The erosion of checks and balances has been going on for quite a while now.

Sorry buddy but Obama never abuse his power and obstructed justice. Letting Trump get away with this now doesn't just lower the bar, it removes it.

 

[Prometheus85]

"We the people" according to the founders NEVER meant the majority robs the minorities liberties. It meant we the people have individual rights and liberties and those liberties are to be protected from the majority trying to take them away.

Don't stop with the words "We the people," Jollybear. Read the rest of the Constitution. it mentions the reasons to impeach a criminal president.

 

[Jollybear]

Don't stop with the words "We the people," Jollybear. Read the rest of the Constitution. it mentions the reasons to impeach a criminal president.

Already did. Trump never broke the constitution with the call to ukraine. If you want to say he did by some other case, present that. Lets do it by a case by case basis. But ukraine, nope.

Now, we can address ukraine in its specifics, but that would require you discussing real issues. Something you dont like doing in my track record with you.

 

[pearl]

I think there is little doubt that the House will impeach. Then its up to the Senate whether or not to remove Trump. As with Clinton, Trump will remain impeached.

 

[metis]

Pelosi wants to negate the votes of 63M Americans, all while denying Donald trump due process.

False, and the proof of that is that the procedure for impeachment is found in the Constitution-- that pesky little document that Trump cares so little about.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Don't stop with the words "We the people," Jollybear. Read the rest of the Constitution. it mentions the reasons to impeach a criminal president.

You never mention to anybody what specific part.

I can tell you what part myself.

It isn't there.

Put the money where your mouth is.