In call, Trump demands Georgia officials 'find' votes

[Revoltingest]

Trump's call sounded prosecution-worthy to me.
Enuf to convict?
I dunno.
If a federal charge, he'd be pardoned.
But if a state charge.....

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Fake media!

Are you joking?

It is difficult to distinguish a serious denial / defense of Trump, from sarcasm making fun of said denial / defense.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am so tired of him. Jan 20, yes, but first Jan 6.

I predict many headaches between those two dates.

 

[exchemist]

And there is Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. A person of integrity.

Well Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised.

But they — I guess there was a person Mr. Braynard who came to these meetings and presented data and he said that there were dead people, I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual number was two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. So that's wrong. There were two.

And I think it's extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context.

We did an audit of that and we proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.

We had GBI ... investigate that.

Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, they — people can say anything.

We believe that we do have an accurate election.



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Yes, a man of integrity and able to stand up to pressure. In any decent world, he's the sort of guy that should have a shot at being the presidential candidate next time round!

 

[Twilight Hue]

Are you joking?

It is difficult to distinguish a serious denial / defense of Trump, from sarcasm making fun of said denial / defense.

Is that actually Trump?

 

[exchemist]

Are you joking?

It is difficult to distinguish a serious denial / defense of Trump, from sarcasm making fun of said denial / defense.

I've noticed a lot of Trump defenders do that: make a ludicrous statement and then, if people object, claim you were joking. And if they don't, you let it be thought serious. That way, you can have it both ways.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Trump's call sounded prosecution-worthy to me.
Enuf to convict?
I dunno.
If a federal charge, he'd be pardoned.
But if a state charge.....

To quote the sagely wisdom of Red Forman to predict what will happen (names changed to reflect this situation):
Joey, how in the hell could you pardon Trump?

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Is that actually Trump?

Yes. Why do you think it’s not actually Trump?

 

[Quetzal]

Is that actually Trump?

Given all that we know about how Trump has conducted himself, what is more likely? Trump desperately tried to strong-arm his way into winning or someone faked it to put Trump in the hot seat for.... what reason, exactly? His opponents are watching him pack his bags as we speak.

 

[Quetzal]

Yes. Why do you think it’s not actually Trump?

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Are you certain that is Donald Trump? (If others on this thread can do it, I can too!)

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Are you certain that is Donald Trump? (If others on this thread can do it, I can too!)

What’s funny is by assuming it’s not actually Trump, Mr Hue is admitting the call makes Trump look really bad.

Now watch. When we discover it was Trump, I predict the call will suddenly not seem so bad after all.

Odd that Hue would suspect someone of faking a perfectly normal, perfect, beautiful call that doesn’t make Trump look bad at all.

 

[Scott C.]

Oh, look...it's a limbo contest AKA How Low Can You Go? Apparently for the Great Orange, no low is too low.

I didn't hear much on the call that Trump is not already saying publicly. He thinks there was fraud, dead voters, rigged counting machines, etc. He has called out the Georgia officials as being corrupt, should be removed from office. He thinks if the voting was counted correctly the first time, he "won big." He wants the Governor & Secretary of State to do something about it. We already knew all of that before the call. He crossed another line by leaning hard to do something about it, to recalculate, to find (i.e., correct counts to find) the votes he needs to prove he won all along. Even if he really believes he won, and something should be done, the coersion on the call is unethical and inappropriate. I doubt he committed a crime. He didn't tell the Secretary of State to cheat. He told him to correct the cheating which he thinks happened. It's hard to tell if he really believes there was fraud or not. If he does not really believe there was fraud, he chose his words carefully on the call to not imply he was asking the anyone to cheat, but only to correct. As a mostly conservative guy and a guy who likes much of what Trump did in the past four years, he is exceeding my expectations for being a sore loser and deceptive.

 

[ecco]

Even if he really believes he won

I believe the narcissist does not comprehend that he could have lost.

He didn't tell the Secretary of State to cheat.

Did you read the entire transcript or listen to the recording?

 

[Scott C.]

Did you read the entire transcript or listen to the recording?

I listened to parts played on the news. I heard Trump claim he won and wanted the GA Secretary of State to "find" the votes needed. You can interpret that as instructions to find and reverse the fradulent votes or as instructions to alter legal votes. The latter would be fraud of course. It seems like Trump actually believes he won and was cheated. Since that should be obvious to the Secretary of State, he should do whatever it takes to come up with the votes needed, even if he cannot positively identify any fraudulent votes. Trump may be saying "they cheated, so we can cheat too, since I actually won." Based on what I heard him actually say however, I don't think it can be proven that he was asking the Sec of State to do anything other than find and correct the illegal votes, which of course he should do if any such illegal votes actually existed.

 

[SomeRandom]

Man, US politics is like a bad soap opera. I am genuinely appalled by the dishonesty even as I myself count politicians among the least trustworthy people of the world.
Still, I can’t look away

 

[Subduction Zone]

The question is why did Rafensperger record Trump. Not everyone has recording equipment handy. It turns out that this was not the first time that Republicans have tried to do this, well at least allegedly:

It started on Saturday when Trump and his team reached out to talk to Raffensperger, who, according to an adviser, felt he would be unethically pressured by the president. Raffensperger had been here before: In November he accused Trump ally and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham of improperly exhorting him to meddle in the election to help Trump win Georgia. Graham later denied it.

So why not record the call with the president, Raffensperger’s advisers thought, if nothing else for fact-checking purposes. “This is a man who has a history of reinventing history as it occurs,” one of them told Playbook. “So if he’s going to try to dispute anything on the call, it’s nice to have something like this, hard evidence, to dispute whatever he’s claiming about the secretary. Lindsey Graham asked us to throw out legally cast ballots. So yeah, after that call, we decided maybe we should do this.”

POLITICO Playbook: The backstory of Trump’s Georgia call

TLDR: Lindsey Graham previously asked for the same sort of cheating. When it was reported he denied it, so they were ready for it this time.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Ok
So if trump does find a way to negate the election and stay in power.
What are you guys in the USA going to do about it?
And I ask that of both democrats and you republicans.,?

What might be more interesting, is what Russia, China and Europe would do about it.

I rather think that your military and supreme court would have to act very fast indeed to keep the lid on things.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Is that actually Trump?

Do you doubt it?

 

[ecco]

He didn't tell the Secretary of State to cheat.

Not in so many words. Why would he? He's not that stupid. However, what is the meaning of these two quotes from my post #1?

And there's nothing wrong with saying that, you know, um, that you've recalculated,"
...
I just want to find 11,780 votes.

Recalculate - how? Find votes - how? Most people understand exactly what he meant. Do you think he said to Guiliani "go alter some videos to make it look like they cheated"?

... he chose his words carefully on the call to not imply he was asking the anyone to cheat, but only to correct.

See above. Also, he did not know he was being recorded. Some of his Sheeples are now saying that it is disgraceful that Georgia officials recorded the conversation.



He also implied that The Secy of State and his Atty would be committing a crime if they didn't do what he wanted.

And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you're not reporting it. That's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. And you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that's a big risk.

 

[Cooky]

See, that's just it... If you have to ask yourself "what did he mean when he said ______"

...Then you already lost your case... Because you can't pretend to read his mind.

Try again.