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Sireal

Setian
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...osity-between-church-satan-members-other.html

Kinda bummed nobody from this part of the forums has popped in to rebuke me. If you can't, we can still have a baby-impaling competition to determine who gets to call themselves Satanists. :bat:

It's like this Bitterfly, I am Setian not a Satanist, so I dont think there much to argue, debate or rebuke. I consider myself satanic which to me means adversarial but thats just one aspect of Being, an attention getter/door opener if you will, and not the prominent one. I suppose that could be a point of contention but who the hell cares really? I don't, hmm maybe someone else does? I think Real Satanists are great, however lost they are in the light of their own advesary,ie, baby impaling and the hatred of Life is most definitly a RHP thing,:seesaw:two sides of the same old plank, but hey, whatever blows your skirt up...

When you've gotten over that fight or f**k stage come on back and put that Advesary to Work on something that will really blow your mind;) , till then good luck and have way too much fun with it:)

Sireal wishes you a firey day
 

Bitterfly

Member
I consider myself satanic which to me means adversarial but thats just one aspect of Being, an attention getter/door opener if you will, and not the prominent one.

I'm not too hung up on the debate; people will think the way they think and it's usually not easy or worth the effort to try changing them.

I suppose that could be a point of contention but who the hell cares really? I don't, hmm maybe someone else does?
The Church of Satan has fought hard over the years to create a credible image of itself, and people who want to hop on the Satanism bandwagon while muddling what we're about are an embarrassment.

I am proud of the people I know who are in the Church and appreciate the things they have done; So yes, I absolutely do care. I mean, we're only talking about the deepest convictions and cherished beliefs we have. This is not something to be taken lightly.

I think Real Satanists are great, however lost they are in the light of their own advesary,ie, baby impaling and the hatred of Life is most definitly a RHP thing,:seesaw:two sides of the same old plank, but hey, whatever blows your skirt up...

When you've gotten over that fight or f**k stage come on back and put that Advesary to Work on something that will really blow your mind;) , till then good luck and have way too much fun with it:)
What does this even mean? :drool:
 

Sireal

Setian
I'm not too hung up on the debate; people will think the way they think and it's usually not easy or worth the effort to try changing them.

The Church of Satan has fought hard over the years to create a credible image of itself, and people who want to hop on the Satanism bandwagon while muddling what we're about are an embarrassment.

I am proud of the people I know who are in the Church and appreciate the things they have done; So yes, I absolutely do care. I mean, we're only talking about the deepest convictions and cherished beliefs we have. This is not something to be taken lightly.

What does this even mean? :drool:
"In this the Church was generally successful, but it continued to experience increasing difficulty with the basic nihilism and negative connotations of its religious imagery. It could not escape the self-assumed limitation of being “anti-Christian” in a society in which Christianity - and its “evil scarecrow” concept of Satan - were overwhelmingly predominant. Simultaneously the Church began to feel constrained by even its own redefinition of Satanism, as the parameters of philosophy and metaphysics extend far beyond the conceptual and symbolic limits of the Judaic/Christian tradition." ToS General information Letter
 

Sireal

Setian
I suppose I can see why that would make some people disenchanted; thank you for posting that.

Bitterfly,

You're welcome.
That was the primary reason I had long before my affiliation with the ToS for not engaging Satanism initiatorily and I haven't found cause to change my perception since it first peeled the scales from my eyes.

I find the constructs created by Christianity, whether its the impossible morality that self perpetuates a need for repentance or self abdication as well the entire Satan/Lucifer construct to be beyond ridiculous when it comes to Knowing human psyche let alone directing a Self Willed Life. Not to mention both constructs rely heavily on highly irresponsible behavior (willed ignorance) when taken seriously which to me is a hallmark of the RHP or at best very sloppy Black Magic.

Magic is about transforming the Self into a Divine Being and that can only go as far as the imagination of the practitioner. If your magic builds a box around you it is more than difficult to break out of it (you are a creator Being and a powerful one!) -easy to get around others, very hard to change oneself especially if you "think" you're right.

I see Satanism as a door to the perception of the Prince of Darkness, it is a beginning and by its magical source it is also constrained by its origin in the Judeo/Christian tradition. In short a stepping stone on the LHP, nothing more.

"Keep Moving"-Riddick
 

Apion

Member
Magic is about transforming the Self into a Divine Being and that can only go as far as the imagination of the practitioner.

There's an inherent contradiction in your statement: you can't be and change something at the same time.

Eventually when you realize that you can never experience yourself, you come to the point of "infinite" self-esteem, or no self-esteem at all. In other words, the self cannot ever have a condition or value, especially to measure up against anything else. Self-esteem issues crumble away.

You can't "transform the Self" (who is transforming this "Self?"). You can change experience -- the mind (which is an umbrella term describing many processes including the personality, memories, cognitive abilities, etc), body, or anything else that exists. Anything you can know about cannot be "you" by definition. You can never know about yourself directly. To put it abstractly, the Self is safely anchored outside all possible experience. To use different words, it doesn't exist in the sense that it is the one that does the experiencing of all that exists and isn't an aspect of existence.

You gain an emense freedom from this perspective, realizing you are not trapped within the transient nature and conditions of experience. You are in the world but not of it.

In a lucid dream, you know you are not any of the experiences in that dream and hence have perfect control over the dream elements. In a normal dream you tend to identify with the dream elements hence the lack of lucidity. This waking existence is little different.

If we do take the idea of the Self that you presented above as a given (and most everyone does anyway), I agree with your points. :)
 
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