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IN CHRISTMAS, whom we celebrate..., to Santa Calus, Harry Potter, or Jesus?

Porque77

The Gospel is God's Law

IN CHRISTMAS, whom we celebrate ..., superman, aliens, Santa Claus, Harry Potter, or Jesus Christ?


The Christians, somehow always reminded God 's love and the wonder that He did when became man and was born in Bethlehem from the Virgin Mary.

Christmas Party to remember that fact of the Gospel would have one day a year since the Christians in the Middle Ages began to build nativity scenes to remember the Christmas Day . It is believed that San Francisco and his friends were who made the first Nativity Scenes. They wanted to remember every year the birth of Our Savior .

But in the last century (XX century), dreamers men, with very little respect to the Gospel, invented another "savior": an "alien god" who come from other planets, called Superman.

Since then, the fantasy of aliens has soared in such a way that neither in the days Christmas, cease to sell books and make movies Superman and the aliens. In these tales, hardly we see signs of Christianity in their fantastic scenes ...

IN CHRISTMAS, whom we hope..., "Santa Claus", or the Child Jesus? ...

Also, in the first decades of the twentieth century, another personage of fantastical tales would come: "a magical god" called "Santa Claus", flying through the sky with reindeer and sleighs and carrying toys to children Christmas Day .

This "god" come from the fantasy world inhabited by gnomes, fairies and dwarfs the forest, seems the only savior of the world at the time of Christmas. In the scenes of his books and movies, hardly we see signs of Jesus Christ or Christianity. It is as if someone had invented this fantastic personage to make children forget the Gospel of Jesus Christ and put their attention on the tales of the men.

It is true that in the early centuries of Christianity was a missionary who devoted himself to take food and toys to poor children in the villages through which he passed. His name was Nicholas of Bari. He had inherited a large fortune from his parents, and he distributed all among the poor .

Some want to see Santa Claus reflected in this Christian personage, but the fact is that St. Nicholas was a Christian, and history does not speak of magic, or gnomes, or dwarves or fairies of the forest, or any fantasy; only talks about his love for Jesus Christ .

The "Santa Claus", however, is triggered fantasy, and in the tales written about him, appears almost no history of Jesus Christ or Christians, and if present, is very discreetly. It is as if they wanted to show that the teaching of love and peace is not come from the Gospel, but from the mysterious world and magic of gnomes, fairies and Forest Dwarfs.

IN CHRISTMAS, whom we wait..., Harry Potter or the Baby Jesus?...

And why talk of Harry Potter, if almost everyone knows the tale?... This tale of magic and fantasy seem to also find a place in the days of Christmas to promote the magic and fantasy and that children forget the true meaning of Christmas.

All these tales, although they seem harmless fantasies, as some claim, however all these tales are united by one purpose: to ignore completely every sign of Jesus Christ and Christianity.

This fantasy world fights against the idea that God became man, and was called Jesus Christ, and also against the idea that there was a Christian culture that existed in at some time in our history.

If this continue in this way, according to the purpose of many men, disappear Christianity , the Gospel, and all signs of Christian culture... and the world would be fodder for tales, of course, tales that never remember there are poors in Earth and that God commanded distribute all the property among them.

This is one of the things that preaches the Gospel: that goods are distributed among the poor... Will be not this the reason why many men full of greed want to destroy it's memory?...

I think this topic in these days is very important to exchange views among Christians and examine it.

 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I usually watch a Harry Potter movie with my daughter over the holidays.
He gets my vote.
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
What do you think people did before honoring, following, worshipping Jesus became government sanctioned religion?

What about the traditions ignored and stolen to bring about Christmas?

I don't feel sympathy at all, and my family and I celebrate Christmas from November to February lol
 

Parsimony

Well-Known Member
I've often considered it odd how Christmas (a shortening of "Christ's Mass") became so popular among non-Christians. Christmas has a pretty complicated history involving both Christian and Pagan themes and I don't pretend to understand it all, but I do believe that Jesus should remain its focus. Otherwise, I would consider the word "Christmas" to be a misnomer.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Dunno about your household, but we celebrate the reuniting of the family and friends.
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
I've often considered it odd how Christmas (a shortening of "Christ's Mass") became so popular among non-Christians. Christmas has a pretty complicated history involving both Christian and Pagan themes and I don't pretend to understand it all, but I do believe that Jesus should remain its focus. Otherwise, I would consider the word "Christmas" to be a misnomer.

It's just another secular holiday now. Same with Easter and the others. Most things cultural trace back to the old pagan traditions because we all come from that.
 

Monk Of Reason

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
I've often considered it odd how Christmas (a shortening of "Christ's Mass") became so popular among non-Christians. Christmas has a pretty complicated history involving both Christian and Pagan themes and I don't pretend to understand it all, but I do believe that Jesus should remain its focus. Otherwise, I would consider the word "Christmas" to be a misnomer.

The hallmark quality and general festivity of it all has attracted several non-christians. The fact that literally every Christmas tradition is pagan except for going to church. Singing, Yule Tree, decorating with holly, the image of Santa Clause (a german pagan myth) was stolen from the image of the holly king which was celebrated by many Celtic and Norse pagans during the winter solstice as the holly king rose to power and began the slow climb to spring. The original Santa Clause of Germanic mythology was a short elf like creature who was accompanied by Krampus or at least they both went out on the same night. It depends on which tradition you look at.

So I as an atheist enjoy the festivities of it though I find no religious backing to my holiday fun.
 

Awkward Fingers

Omphaloskeptic
I have to admit.. I can't even tell what Christians want here...
"why do non Christians celebrate Christmas???"
because it used to be yule, or saturnalia, our countless other solstice celebrations.. If you don't like us celebrating Christmas, we can call it yule, if that would make you feel better..
"why are you calling it yule?? Keep Christ in Christmas!!"
Um..ok...

Seriously, pick one. You Co opted a holiday, to get the pagans to transition easier to christianity, and took a lot of symbolism from their celebrations, and use it in Christmas..
That's fine. But now you can't go back on that, and complain that non Christians are celebrating it...
The "reason for the season" WAS to get non Christians celebrating it under a Christian holidays name...

...pardon any autocorrect mistakes.
 

Porque77

The Gospel is God's Law
I've often considered it odd how Christmas (a shortening of "Christ's Mass") became so popular among non-Christians. Christmas has a pretty complicated history involving both Christian and Pagan themes and I don't pretend to understand it all, but I do believe that Jesus should remain its focus. Otherwise, I would consider the word "Christmas" to be a misnomer.

It's just another secular holiday now. Same with Easter and the others. Most things cultural trace back to the old pagan traditions because we all come from that.

Hello, Kryptid, sees and otherforum participants. Happy new year and merry Christmas.

I believe that Christmas has nothing to do with pagan celebrations. Christianity spread in most nations of the world to preach the Gospel.

The Gospel does not need pagan celebrations, because the Gospel is rich in celebrations.

All this propaganda that relates Christmas with pagan celebrations is just a desire to stamp out Christianity and the Gospel.

Jesus told us that Christians would be persecuted in every nation. Relate Christmas with pagan celebrations, is a desire of the anti-Christ to end the love that is due to Christmas.

 

Sees

Dragonslayer
Hello, Kryptid, sees and otherforum participants. Happy new year and merry Christmas.

I believe that Christmas has nothing to do with pagan celebrations. Christianity spread in most nations of the world to preach the Gospel.

The Gospel does not need pagan celebrations, because the Gospel is rich in celebrations.

All this propaganda that relates Christmas with pagan celebrations is just a desire to stamp out Christianity and the Gospel.

Jesus told us that Christians would be persecuted in every nation. Relate Christmas with pagan celebrations, is a desire of the anti-Christ to end the love that is due to Christmas.


It's not propaganda brother, or persecution....it is people remembering, learning, discussing history. Why is it ok for Church appropriation of pagan heritage, traditions, holy places, etc. but it's not OK to honor the older traditions or newer ones during the winter season? Change and choice is only OK if it's Christian?

Once the Second Coming happens you can have full domination of holiday traditions and free-thought.
 

Parsimony

Well-Known Member
Hello, Kryptid, sees and otherforum participants. Happy new year and merry Christmas.

I believe that Christmas has nothing to do with pagan celebrations. Christianity spread in most nations of the world to preach the Gospel.

The Gospel does not need pagan celebrations, because the Gospel is rich in celebrations.

All this propaganda that relates Christmas with pagan celebrations is just a desire to stamp out Christianity and the Gospel.

Jesus told us that Christians would be persecuted in every nation. Relate Christmas with pagan celebrations, is a desire of the anti-Christ to end the love that is due to Christmas.

If you're referring to Christmas solely as the celebration of Christ and His birth, then no, influence from other religions has nothing to do with it. If, however, you are referring to Christmas as a whole as it is celebrated worldwide in this day and age, then I would have to disagree. Others in this thread have already pointed out examples. Besides, just because something is derived from a Pagan custom doesn't necessarily mean that it is in itself still a promoter of Paganism. What something is now is more important than what it was in the past.
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
The hallmark quality and general festivity of it all has attracted several non-christians. The fact that literally every Christmas tradition is pagan except for going to church.

Interesting little factoid for you* a lot of the older churches in Europe were built on existing Pagan Holy sites, supposedly to make the transition to Christianity easier for the locals. So even going to Church isn't entirely free of that pesky Pagan taint ;)


*well I think it's interesting anyway.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Interesting little factoid for you* a lot of the older churches in Europe were built on existing Pagan Holy sites, supposedly to make the transition to Christianity easier for the locals. So even going to Church isn't entirely free of that pesky Pagan taint ;)


*well I think it's interesting anyway.

That's very true about many church sites around here. There was no point in a missionary going anywhere else, 'cos everybody was at the local pagan meeting place!

The most devout Christians that I know do not celebrate Christmas at all, or even recognise it as a Christian Holy Day. So we just have fun, give presents, eat too much and snooze on that day.......... hardly the most evil of actions..... :)
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
That's very true about many church sites around here. There was no point in a missionary going anywhere else, 'cos everybody was at the local pagan meeting place!

The most devout Christians that I know do not celebrate Christmas at all, or even recognise it as a Christian Holy Day. So we just have fun, give presents, eat too much and snooze on that day.......... hardly the most evil of actions..... :)

Jehovah's Witnesses?
 

NIX

Daughter of Chaos
"Christmas (time)" is the most bewildering and hard to know what to do with/make of it time of the year. (for me)

Mostly I just look around curiously at everyone else around me "doin' it", kind of like a deer caught in the headlights.
Then go on with life as usual.

Time off is nice though. :)
 
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