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"In God We Trust" is from the Islamic Koran and it's not in the Christian Bible

anotherneil

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I first became aware of this when I saw a bumper sticker on a car that said "In God We Trust" along with the section where it's in the Koran. As far as I can tell, it's accurate.

Since the religious zealots who took over the US government tried to replace our real motto with it, does that mean that the official religion of the US is Islam?
 
ADigitalArtist

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'In God We Trust' was added to US paper currency during the cold war era as a political propaganda tool to separate 'God fearing Americans' from Soviet Russians. It was a political move through and through, and when religious organizations tried to leverage that 'religious fervor' into aid programs for great depression sufferers, the same conservatives who changed the motto turned on them.

Basically, it was politics as usual. Literal virtue signaling but not walking the talk.
 
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anotherneil said:
I first became aware of this when I saw a bumper sticker on a car that said "In God We Trust" along with the section where it's in the Koran. As far as I can tell, it's accurate.

Since the religious zealots who took over the US government tried to replace our real motto with it, does that mean that the official religion of the US is Islam?
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No, but it means that all others must pay in cash.
 
Revoltingest

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Our original mottoes were...
"Mind your business"
"We are one"
They first appeared on the Fugio Cent.
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Twilight Hue

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anotherneil said:
I first became aware of this when I saw a bumper sticker on a car that said "In God We Trust" along with the section where it's in the Koran. As far as I can tell, it's accurate.

Since the religious zealots who took over the US government tried to replace our real motto with it, does that mean that the official religion of the US is Islam?
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No. It was put in because of the USSR.
 
stevecanuck

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anotherneil said:
I first became aware of this when I saw a bumper sticker on a car that said "In God We Trust" along with the section where it's in the Koran. As far as I can tell, it's accurate.

Since the religious zealots who took over the US government tried to replace our real motto with it, does that mean that the official religion of the US is Islam?
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The Qur'an was written in Arabic, not English, and has spectacularly different grammatical style. Several verses imply to trust God, but to specify that they translate exactly as "In God we trust" just can't be done.

For example, 'Sabah al kheer' is translated as 'good morning'. However, if you break it down word-for-word it means 'morning the great'. Besides, I'm sure some biblical scholar on this site will show up and show you where it says that in the bible.
 
Stevicus

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I just now remembered that the phrase also exists in the Star Spangled Banner, in the fourth verse (which probably rarely gets sung at ballgames):



O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their lov'd home and the war's desolation!
Blest with vict'ry and peace may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the power that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto - "In God is our trust,"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Of course, this doesn't mean it became the U.S. official motto, but the idea was obviously around a lot longer than the Cold War. But there may have been more religious zealots in the government back then anyway.
 
anotherneil

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stevecanuck said:
The Qur'an was written in Arabic, not English, and has spectacularly different grammatical style. Several verses imply to trust God, but to specify that they translate exactly as "In God we trust" just can't be done.

For example, 'Sabah al kheer' is translated as 'good morning'. However, if you break it down word-for-word it means 'morning the great'. Besides, I'm sure some biblical scholar on this site will show up and show you where it says that in the bible.
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Neither was the Bible; they were written in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic.
 
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anotherneil said:
I first became aware of this when I saw a bumper sticker on a car that said "In God We Trust" along with the section where it's in the Koran. As far as I can tell, it's accurate.

Since the religious zealots who took over the US government tried to replace our real motto with it, does that mean that the official religion of the US is Islam?
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I think "in God we trust" is something that a Christian could say, even without any religious book saying so. If it happens to be also in non Christian book, I don't think ti necessary means it comes from the non Christian book. People can have that idea independently, even without hearing it from someone.
 
Jayhawker Soule

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anotherneil said:
Since the religious zealots who took over the US government tried to replace our real motto with it, does that mean that the official religion of the US is Islam?
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Give it a rest ...

On March 3, 1865, the U.S. Congress passed a bill, which Lincoln subsequently signed as the last act of Congress prior to his assassination, that allowed the Mint Director to place "In God We Trust" on all gold and silver coins that "shall admit the inscription thereon", subject to the Secretary's approval. In 1873, Congress passed another Coinage Act, granting the Secretary of the Treasury the right to "cause the motto IN GOD WE TRUST to be inscribed on such coins as shall admit of such motto".

In God We Trust (or, rarely, its variation, God We Trust) first appeared on 2¢ coins, which were first minted in 1863 and went into mass circulation the following year. [source]
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"Religious zealots" like Lincoln were, for the most part, doing the best they could. Neo-atheist zealots would do well to follow their example. :)
 
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The Quran has repeated this phrase and put context to it from various angles and dimensions. It's a whole theme in Quran.
 
anotherneil

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stevecanuck said:
Which changes nothing that I said.

Sorry, but this is just not the ah-ha thread that you were hoping for.
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Oh sure it does; it essentially serves as a rebuttal to an insinuation that the Bible was written in English thus assuring & rendering what you said pointless.
 
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