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In need of help with these pieces of scripture

reloadthis

Member
The prayer does say "Our Father". If the intended effect was aimed only for me, then I'd say "My Father..."

I'm not sure what you are getting at with this line of questioning.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
The prayer does say "Our Father". If the intended effect was aimed only for me, then I'd say "My Father..."

I'm not sure what you are getting at with this line of questioning.

The op starts with a discussion about the Kingdom, and when to expect such things at hand.

The Carpenter told His disciples...'the kingdom is at hand'.

I have noticed....no one told me so....
The disciples followed Him for three years.
All that time He would go by Himself to pray, even to that last day, that last hour, in Gethsemane.

Only then did His disciples ask for instruction.
Not until then did they understand.
The kingdom is delivered, at the moment you ask for it.
And it is through your will, that the kingdom is on earth as it is in heaven.
The kingdom is within you.

And don't bother to change the possessive in the prayer.
You're not in this by yourself.
 

reloadthis

Member
The op starts with a discussion about the Kingdom, and when to expect such things at hand.

The Carpenter told His disciples...'the kingdom is at hand'.

I have noticed....no one told me so....
The disciples followed Him for three years.
All that time He would go by Himself to pray, even to that last day, that last hour, in Gethsemane.

Only then did His disciples ask for instruction.
Not until then did they understand.
The kingdom is delivered, at the moment you ask for it.
And it is through your will, that the kingdom is on earth as it is in heaven.
The kingdom is within you.

And don't bother to change the possessive in the prayer.
You're not in this by yourself.

Well said...

"The Kingdom of Heaven is Within."
 

Thesavorofpan

Is not going to save you.
I've heard people quote Mathew 24, about Jesus describing the ends times, all over the place. But I rarely, if ever, hear of anyone discussing the 34th verse:

Mathew 24:34:

Verily, I say unto you, this generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.

Revelation 1:1, seems to concur. John opens the book with:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew his servant things which must shortly come to pass, and he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John:

It is John's use of the word "shortly", and Jesus' use of "this generation" that has always bothered me. I does seem to me, imho, that even jesus was foretelling the second coming would happen in their lifetime. People have been telling me that I take these verses out of context, but for the life of me I don't see how. I've also been told of "interpretations" of these verses, but they seem to me to be very specific and really don't need interpreting, at least to me.

Can you guys help? What am I missing here.......

P.S. I looked back several pages, and didn't find this discussed yet. If this thread is redundant, then please forgive me......Thanks in advance for any responses....


:angel2:

Verse 37 will help you out
"But as the days of Noe(Noah) were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" Mathew 24:37 Noah knew the flood was going to happen, but he didn't know when. It happen 120 years later after he was told. Jesus said shortly to make sure every kept to his commandments.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Verse 37 will help you out
"But as the days of Noe(Noah) were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" Mathew 24:37 Noah knew the flood was going to happen, but he didn't know when. It happen 120 years later after he was told. Jesus said shortly to make sure every kept to his commandments.

Not really.
In the days of Noah,...Man had become so corrupt, only one was worth saving and allowed to keep his close relatives.

The analogy is used to an extreme, to emphasize the poor spiritual condition will return.

Did you notice my previous post? or perhaps you disagree altogether.
 

Thesavorofpan

Is not going to save you.
Not really.
In the days of Noah,...Man had become so corrupt, only one was worth saving and allowed to keep his close relatives.

The analogy is used to an extreme, to emphasize the poor spiritual condition will return.

Did you notice my previous post? or perhaps you disagree altogether.

I disagree with that. It didn't rain right when God told Noah all Noah knew was that he had to build an Ark. Just like us we don't know when Jesus is coming back, but we know that we should be ready for his second coming because he will be like a thief in the night.

Though I do agree with you on that there is a horrible spiritual condition in this world.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I disagree with that. It didn't rain right when God told Noah all Noah knew was that he had to build an Ark. Just like us we don't know when Jesus is coming back, but we know that we should be ready for his second coming because he will be like a thief in the night.

Though I do agree with you on that there is a horrible spiritual condition in this world.

You touched on the idea.
Death comes...like a thief.
The second coming is personal, very immediate.
During that last hour...during that last breath.

The second coming is spiritual and has everything to do,
with who stands over you, during that last hour.
The kingdom is at hand.
 

dmgdnooc

Active Member
I've heard people quote Mathew 24, about Jesus describing the ends times, all over the place. But I rarely, if ever, hear of anyone discussing the 34th verse:

Mathew 24:34:

Verily, I say unto you, this generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.

Revelation 1:1, seems to concur. John opens the book with:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew his servant things which must shortly come to pass, and he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John:

It is John's use of the word "shortly", and Jesus' use of "this generation" that has always bothered me. I does seem to me, imho, that even jesus was foretelling the second coming would happen in their lifetime. People have been telling me that I take these verses out of context, but for the life of me I don't see how. I've also been told of "interpretations" of these verses, but they seem to me to be very specific and really don't need interpreting, at least to me.

Can you guys help? What am I missing here.......

P.S. I looked back several pages, and didn't find this discussed yet. If this thread is redundant, then please forgive me......Thanks in advance for any responses....


:angel2:

The 'this generation' of Matt 24.34 is the generation of the tender 'fig tree' of verse 32.
That is the generation that will not pass away before those things are fulfilled.
 
The discourse describes these things as being international events (v7)
that are centered on Jerusalem (the holy place of v15).
The 'fig tree' of verse 32 is, in this context, the nation of Israel that budded in 1948.
So imo, people who were living in 1948 will live to see those things fulfilled.
 
Check the usage in Hos 9.10, Luke 13.6.
 

 

jtartar

Well-Known Member
I've heard people quote Mathew 24, about Jesus describing the ends times, all over the place. But I rarely, if ever, hear of anyone discussing the 34th verse:

Mathew 24:34:

Verily, I say unto you, this generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.

Revelation 1:1, seems to concur. John opens the book with:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew his servant things which must shortly come to pass, and he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John:

It is John's use of the word "shortly", and Jesus' use of "this generation" that has always bothered me. I does seem to me, imho, that even jesus was foretelling the second coming would happen in their lifetime. People have been telling me that I take these verses out of context, but for the life of me I don't see how. I've also been told of "interpretations" of these verses, but they seem to me to be very specific and really don't need interpreting, at least to me.

Can you guys help? What am I missing here.......

P.S. I looked back several pages, and didn't find this discussed yet. If this thread is redundant, then please forgive me......Thanks in advance for any responses....


:angel2:

droog1,
Matt chapter 24, Mark chap 13,& Luke chap 21, are all speaking about the same generation.
To understand exactly who and when Jesus is speaking about, you need to go back to the first verses of Matt 24. At verse 3 we find, what is called the Olivet Sermon. Jesus disciples ask Jesus when the end would come, Mark 13:3,4, In the first verses Jesus tells the disciples about the period from then to 70CE when the complete end of the Jews,as a nation. This took place in 70CE when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, with about 1,100, 000 killed ans about 97,000 taken captive, many to die in the arenas.
Jesus'm disciples did not understand,at that time that Jesus was going away for a period of time, so they were thinking that as soon as he returned it would mark the end of another system of things. They did not understand that Jesus would return as King of the Kingdom, but would rule in the midst of his enemies for a period of time. Thid is what Jesus is telling them when he goes on to give a long range prophecy in Matt 24, verses 23-44. At Matt 24:34, Jesus tells the disciples that the generation seeing all the things that he had told them about, would be the generation to see the end of this system and the beginning of The Kingdom of God, with Jesus as god's appointed King. Notice that Matt 24:34, Mark 13:30 and Luke 21:28, 31,31, all speak about the Kingdom taking power before the generation that sees all the things Jesus mentioned passes away.
Interestingly, the generation that Jesus was speaking about started in 1914, the same year that World War One started.
Remember, Jesus was to rule in the midst of his enemies, Ps 110:1,2, 1Cor 15:25, Rev 6:2, are all speaking about the time when Jesus would start ruling in the middle of his enemies. Notice what is prophecied to happen immediately after Jesus starts his rule, WAR, Rev 6:2-8. The Red Horse specifically means war, consider the Large Sword. The Black Horse is famine, The Pale Horse is death on an unusually large scale. We have seen all these things since 1914. There were more people killed in wars since 1914 than from ALL the wars since Jesus said these things. Another scripture that fortifies this is Rev 12:7-9, WAR, and all kinds of other troubles because Satan has, since 1914, been thrown to the earth, Rev 12:10,12. If you consider Rev 12:1-6, you will see that what preceeds this war is the birth of the Kingdom, but the King,Jesus is taken away to heaven, for a while.
These scriptures are all speaking about the Generation that Jesus mentioned.
Other scriptures that point to this generation are 2Tim 3:1-4, 2Pet 3:3-10.
When Jesus comes again it will be to bring an end to this system, at Armageddon, Rev 16:16, Rev 19:11-23, 2Thes 2:6-9. Another thing that Jesus does at this time is collect together all his anointed, chosen ones, for the Marriage of the Lamb, Matt 24:29-31, Rev 19:6-8, 19:11-16, 21:2.
All the things mentioned are to take place during what is called The Lord's Day, Rev 1:10, which started in 1914. Since 1914 ALL the things Jesus prophesied have taken place on an unprecidented scale, War, Famine, Plagues, Pestilences and many other troubles. This world is going to continue to get worse until Jesus comes again.
Any who want to be among the survivors of the Great Tribulation, Rev 7:14, and live forever on a paradise earth, MUST find the ONE TRUE religion and attach themselves to it, Eph 4:3-6, 1Pet 3:21, Rom 10:13, Acts 2:21, John 17:3.
 

jtartar

Well-Known Member
I've heard people quote Mathew 24, about Jesus describing the ends times, all over the place. But I rarely, if ever, hear of anyone discussing the 34th verse:

Mathew 24:34:

Verily, I say unto you, this generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.

Revelation 1:1, seems to concur. John opens the book with:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew his servant things which must shortly come to pass, and he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John:

It is John's use of the word "shortly", and Jesus' use of "this generation" that has always bothered me. I does seem to me, imho, that even jesus was foretelling the second coming would happen in their lifetime. People have been telling me that I take these verses out of context, but for the life of me I don't see how. I've also been told of "interpretations" of these verses, but they seem to me to be very specific and really don't need interpreting, at least to me.

Can you guys help? What am I missing here.......

P.S. I looked back several pages, and didn't find this discussed yet. If this thread is redundant, then please forgive me......Thanks in advance for any responses....


:angel2:

droog1,
The generation that Jesus was speaking about at Matt 24:34,is the generation we are living in NOW.
Many times the scriptures do not tell everything about a subject in one place. You must look up other scriptures that speak about the same time. Consider Luke 21:28,31,32. These scriptures talk about the seeing of these things START to take place, know that the Kingdom of God is near. Then they say that this generation will not pass away until all these things occur.
The things that are written in Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, are all about the same generation.
Notice Mark 13:1-4, Here Jesus' disciples asked Jesus when the things that he had just told them about the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple would take place. As can we seen by what the other scriptures say, the disciples were asking Jesus when he was going to set uo his Kingdom. At Matt 24:3, they asked Jesus when would he come again and a set up his Kingdom at the conclusion of this system of things.
Remember, the disciples did not realize that it would be over 2,000 years before he would return to begin his rule, Luke 19:11. Even just before Jesus went back to heaven the disciples still did not understand.
Jesus gave not only an answer to there question about when the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple would take place, but Jesus also gave them a long range prophecy about his return. History tells us that the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple took place in 70CE, then Jesus told them something they did not understand at that time, that he would return to his Kingdom in heaven, but would rule in the midst of his enemies for a period of time. The word for coming at Matt 24:3, actually is more correctly translated, PRESENCE, a time when Jesus would be on his throne, but would not take full control of earth for a period of time. That is why there are so many thing that would happen, as mentioned at Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, all these happening before Jesus would take full control of earth.
Matt 24:33, tells us; when we see all these thing occurring, know that Jesus is near at the door. What Evidence can we point to to pinpoint the generation spoken about??
Notice that Jesus spoke about war, World War, when he said that Nation would fight against Nation and Kingdom against Kingdom, Matt 24:7. In this verse he also mentioned famine and earthquakes, Luke mentions pestilences and fearful signs. The only way to tell our generation from another is: The occurrences of these things MUST be on an unpercedented scale, because some of the things always were in existence.
Wars; there have been more people killed in the 20th generation than in all the wars since Jesus walked the earth, well ove 200, 000,000. I would say that is unprecedented. There have been over ten times as many major earthquakes since 1900 than in the thousand years before. We know about famine and pestilences.
Now; when did these thing start to occur on this unprecedented scale. Histortians, educators and politicions tell us that time was 1914. WW1 started in 1914, 1918 was the Spanish Flue that killed an estimated 150,000,000, some say more. We have had more famine than ever before, and what about peatilences such as Aids, ebola, bird influenza, and no telling what horrors we will see in the near future.
Very enlightening scriptures are at Rev 12:1-12. Notice that these scriptures speak of Jesus and the beginning of his Kingdom rule. Right after Jesus took his seat as the Messianic King, war broke out in heaven, Satan and his angels were thrown down to earth. Verse 12 tells us the consequences of this; WOE to the earth and the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time. This short period is where we are right now, Satan is the reason we are having unprecedinted troubles, all just before Jesus takes complete control.
Another interesting point is mentioned about this same time period, Rev 6:2-8. Verse 2 tells us about Jesus receiving his crown as king, then were are informed about the other Horses of Revelation, RED-WAR, Black-Famine, Pale Horse-Famine, DEATH by many means. Death follows closely. Did you notice that these scriptures fit perfectly with Jesus prophecy and Revelation prophecies???
Just to back these up, look up also Matt 24:29-31, the same generation we are in. The Tribualtion here mentioned is the destruction of Babylon the Great, and immediately Jesus come to take full control of earth, calls together his Chosen Ones, and brings this system to an end. Consider also 1Thes 4:13-17, speaking about the same time period. Then 2Thes 1:6-9, and 2:1,2, 2Pet 3:-7.
 

wally777

New Member
Please Dont feel bad about your question Jesus was referring to that none of the things he is talking about in Matthew 24 will happen until all the things he said will happen. The bible said in Matthew 24:36, No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
The 'this generation' of Matt 24.34 is the generation of the tender 'fig tree' of verse 32.
That is the generation that will not pass away before those things are fulfilled.
 
The discourse describes these things as being international events (v7)
that are centered on Jerusalem (the holy place of v15).
The 'fig tree' of verse 32 is, in this context, the nation of Israel that budded in 1948.
So imo, people who were living in 1948 will live to see those things fulfilled.
 
Check the usage in Hos 9.10, Luke 13.6.
 

This looks good on the surface but the fig tree is not the first event in the series of events. Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.
v30 states that the sign of Jesus coming will be seen and that is the first event of the series of events.

If 1948 were the right date, the Rapture (I have a thread here on this subject) would have already taken place then and the Battle of Armageddon also. The fig tree event that is described simply pre-views the events taking place in the last generation; it is not part of it ie the fig tree parable is outside the events listed but does signify how close those events are (relationship of spring to summer).
 
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Benoni

Well-Known Member
The end of the world, can also be interpeted the end of the age.

Revelation did happen; it is still happening. It is a spiritual book, no where does it say it is literal in any since of the word.

I've heard people quote Mathew 24, about Jesus describing the ends times, all over the place. But I rarely, if ever, hear of anyone discussing the 34th verse:

Mathew 24:34:

Verily, I say unto you, this generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.

Revelation 1:1, seems to concur. John opens the book with:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew his servant things which must shortly come to pass, and he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John:

It is John's use of the word "shortly", and Jesus' use of "this generation" that has always bothered me. I does seem to me, imho, that even jesus was foretelling the second coming would happen in their lifetime. People have been telling me that I take these verses out of context, but for the life of me I don't see how. I've also been told of "interpretations" of these verses, but they seem to me to be very specific and really don't need interpreting, at least to me.

Can you guys help? What am I missing here.......

P.S. I looked back several pages, and didn't find this discussed yet. If this thread is redundant, then please forgive me......Thanks in advance for any responses....


:angel2:
 

12jtartar

Active Member
Premium Member
I've heard people quote Mathew 24, about Jesus describing the ends times, all over the place. But I rarely, if ever, hear of anyone discussing the 34th verse:

Mathew 24:34:

Verily, I say unto you, this generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.

Revelation 1:1, seems to concur. John opens the book with:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew his servant things which must shortly come to pass, and he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John:

It is John's use of the word "shortly", and Jesus' use of "this generation" that has always bothered me. I does seem to me, imho, that even jesus was foretelling the second coming would happen in their lifetime. People have been telling me that I take these verses out of context, but for the life of me I don't see how. I've also been told of "interpretations" of these verses, but they seem to me to be very specific and really don't need interpreting, at least to me.

Can you guys help? What am I missing here.......

P.S. I looked back several pages, and didn't find this discussed yet. If this thread is redundant, then please forgive me......Thanks in advance for any responses....


:angel2:

droog 1,
You are pretty perceptive, but a good understanding of prophecy answers your question. Let's try to determine the generation Jesus was talking about!!!
At Matthew 24:3 Jesus disciples asked him what would be the SIGN, that would let his disciples know that he was about to return, Mark 13:4, Luke 21:7. Jesus then gave many things that would happen before he would return, at Metthew chapter 24, Mark chapter 13, Luke chapter 21. This would show that it would be a long time before Jesus' return. The disciples did not have any idea that it would be over 2,000 years until Jesus' return, Luke 19:11, and even just before Jesus went back to heaven they did not understand, Acts 1:6.
Some of the things Jesus mentioned were fulfilled in the first century, but some had a double fulfillment, for our day.
Throughout almost all of Daniel are prophecies, and one that lets us figure out the generation of Jesus' return was in Daniel chapter 4. Here we see a huge tree, that, if you read the description, cannot be a real tree. This tree pictures The Kingdom of God, that reigned on earth, until God allowed Nebuchadnezzar to destroy the Kingdom on earth, in 607BC. In this prophecy there is mentioned a period of Seven Times. In Nebuchadnezzar's time it was 7 years that he would loose his sanity, but in the long range prophecy the 7 times had to do with the setting up again of The Kingdom, with Jesus becoming the King. This long rang prophecy had to be understood as each day being a year. Now the prophecy was for 7 years, and in prophecy 360 days are used, and 30 days for each Month. 7 years multiplied by 360 is 2,520 years. At the end of that period The King of the Kingdom would be put in place. If you compute the time from 607BC plus 2,520 years, you come to the year 1914CE. In that year The Messianic Kingdom was set up, but not on earth at that time, but in heaven, Psalms 110:16. This time was mentioned several places, one as the Time of the Gentiles, because the Gentile were raised above The Kingdom of God on earth, Luke 21:24. This ending of the Kingdom of God on earth was mentioned in other places, Ezekiel 21:24-27, Genesis 49:10. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, Hebrews 7:14.
Revelation tells about Jesus receiving the Crown of the Kingdom, Revelation 6:2. This was in 1914, and War came next, WW1, Revelation 6:4. Notice also Revelation 12:7-13, where there was war in heaven, and Satan and his demons were thrown down to earth. Notice the warning for the ones on earth, because Satan knows that he has only a short time left. When did the wars on earth happen, and have not stopped until now??? They started in 1914, when Jesus became King in heaven, and threw Satan to earth, and all the troubles Jesus mentioned will continue until Jesus comes back to earth, for judgment of all people on earth, Acts 17:31, Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 19:11-21.
It was no coincidence that Daniel's prophecy was exactly fulfilled, 1914.
The beginning of Jesus prophecy about This Generation, began in 1914, and all the things Jesus mentioned, including the start of Jesus' Reign on earth will take place before all the people who were alive in 1914, die.
We are very close to the fulfillment of Jesus prophecy!!!
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
Good post...allright. In my opinion, you nailed it. From verses 1-36 - its about the destruction of Jerusalem - verses 36 on - its the end of the world. The Jewish thought that the Jewish Law would last until the Judgment.

The expression "this generation" is found 5 times in Matthew. It is never used in any other sense than meaning the generation that is now then living.

Jesus' Kingdom is already here...the church (with headquaters located in Heaven). He cannot rule from Jerusalem...if He'd want to...why? Because He is from the lineage of Jehoianchin. Jeremiah 22 tells us that none of his lineage will ever again rule from Judah.

Jesus' Kingdom was not of this earth...1 Corinthians 15:23-24 - tells us that when He comes He will then turn everything back over to God the Father...after the present earth is destroyed.
Hi Green Kepi,
I found your post very interesting!
I had to do a bit of study to see the connection you were making and I probably need to do a little more but you might be able to point me in the right direction.
Jehoiachin and Jeconiah. Are they the same people or are they 2 different people?
What I've picked up so far suggests that they are one and the same but I might be missing something.
If you can help me out that'd be much appreciated and I'll come back later to share more of my thoughts on your post.
Cheers
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
Dude, check how old that post you dredged up is
Lol, yeah I see it was 2010 and that Green Kepi was last on in 2015. But ya never know, he might come back. I did! And besides there's no harm in someone else answering if they have the answer. Personally, I think it was worth dredging up! :blush:
 

First Baseman

Retired athlete
That's because you're right. The early Christians believed the Second Coming was imminent.


2 Peter was written at least a generation after Jesus' death, and possibly more than a century after his death. It had already been longer than people expected, and the author is addressing that.

The second coming is imminent from God's perspective. Peter also explains that, too.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I've heard people quote Mathew 24, about Jesus describing the ends times, all over the place. But I rarely, if ever, hear of anyone discussing the 34th verse:

Mathew 24:34:

Verily, I say unto you, this generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.

Revelation 1:1, seems to concur. John opens the book with:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew his servant things which must shortly come to pass, and he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John:

It is John's use of the word "shortly", and Jesus' use of "this generation" that has always bothered me. I does seem to me, imho, that even jesus was foretelling the second coming would happen in their lifetime. People have been telling me that I take these verses out of context, but for the life of me I don't see how. I've also been told of "interpretations" of these verses, but they seem to me to be very specific and really don't need interpreting, at least to me.

Can you guys help? What am I missing here.......

P.S. I looked back several pages, and didn't find this discussed yet. If this thread is redundant, then please forgive me......Thanks in advance for any responses....


:angel2:
I believe Jesus was answering a multi-part question after he had foretold the temples destruction. His apostles asked: "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?” Jesus words in Matthew 24 had a minor fulfillment in 70 C.E. with Jerusalem's destruction. The parallel account in Luke 21 adds the fact that "they [the Jews] will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled. So the initial fulfillment in the first century did come upon that generation. The major fulfillment had to await "until the appointed time of the nations are fulfilled. This would culminate within a single generation, Christ's presence and the conclusion of the systems of things.
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
I've heard people quote Mathew 24, about Jesus describing the ends times, all over the place. But I rarely, if ever, hear of anyone discussing the 34th verse:

Mathew 24:34:

Verily, I say unto you, this generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.

Revelation 1:1, seems to concur. John opens the book with:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew his servant things which must shortly come to pass, and he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John:

It is John's use of the word "shortly", and Jesus' use of "this generation" that has always bothered me. I does seem to me, imho, that even jesus was foretelling the second coming would happen in their lifetime. People have been telling me that I take these verses out of context, but for the life of me I don't see how. I've also been told of "interpretations" of these verses, but they seem to me to be very specific and really don't need interpreting, at least to me.

Can you guys help? What am I missing here.......

P.S. I looked back several pages, and didn't find this discussed yet. If this thread is redundant, then please forgive me......Thanks in advance for any responses....


:angel2:
Hi Droog1,

It might be helpful to point out the word "AGE" in the following verse:

"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the AGE (AION)?” Matthew 24:3

There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the end of the Age (and not world as some versions translate it), and the beginning of a new Age was on the Feast of Pentecost. Recall that Pentecost was known as the WHEAT harvest which we know from the NT represents the Harvest of People. So the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 was a fulfilment of the Wheat Harvest:

"Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the WHEAT into my barn." Matthew 13:30

Don't forget also what John the Baptist said:

"John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with FIRE: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the WHEAT into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable." Luke 3:16-17

Note that when explaining this parable to the Disciples, Jesus affirms:

"So shall it be at the end of the AGE (AION): the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:49-50

Hebrew 10:1 tells us:

"For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." Hebrews 10:1

The Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in the OT law was a shadow of good things to come being the Pentecost AGE, and is fulfilled every time a person receives the the Holy Spirit. But we know from the Law that the Feast of Tabernacles aka Grape Harvest is also to be fulfilled, which is worthy to note that it is mentioned in the book of revelation:

"And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her GRAPES are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs." Revelation 14:18-20

Question is, is it yet future or are we living in the days of the GRAPE HARVEST today?
 

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Jesus in me
Jesus is answering 2 questions in Mathew 24

1 "When shall theses things be" (destruction of the temple)
2 "what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age"

The temple was destoyed by Titus in 70 AD, about 40 years from the time Jesus said this
Mathew 24:33 "when you see all these things take place know that it is near, even at the door".
Verse 35 refers to the people who will be alive when all the other things predicted previously have taken place.
In verse 36 Jesus said "that The Father only knows the time of the end" not even him".
In luke 21 Jesus says Jerusalem will be destroyed and the Jewish people scattered all over the world. That Jerusalem will fall into non Jewish control "until the time of the Gentiles is complete". Then the Jewish people will regain control of Jerusalem.. hardly something to be completed in just 40 years.

I believe it is reasonable to split up 2. into What will be the sign of your coming and what will be the sign of the end of the age. I believe from what it says in Revelation that both events take place fairly closely in time but not exactly.
 
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