In Texas, Hundreds of Thousands of Women Attempt Self-Induced Abortions...

[Ouroboros]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/17/texas-women-self-induced-abortions-study

This seems to be a consequence of Texas efforts to close abortion centers.

Please discuss.

It's one of the reasons the discussion about legalization of abortion happened long time ago. It was because of all the injured and killed women who tried to do it illegally or do it themselves. If there isn't a safe and legal way of doing it, the self-induced abortions will increase. It's a given.

 

[Ultimatum]

I found the data suspect too, but even if it's within an order of magnitude correct, it still points to much needless harm.

I don't think that's the point.
The point is that it gives extra leverage to conservative-bashing liberals. But then, it's typical of the Guardian.

 

[Quetzal]

I don't think that's the point.
The point is that it gives extra leverage to conservative-bashing liberals. But then, it's typical of the Guardian.

Well, no, but if this data has any ounce of truth to it, the conservative politicians need to be willing to accept that they are responsible.

 

[Jumi]

The point is that it gives extra leverage to conservative-bashing liberals

That's rather simplistic way of viewing it. Not all conservatives are against abortion.

 

[BSM1]

Why should all women believe alike?

Not believe alike, but not be blinded by emotion when it comes to other women making choices concerning their bodies, reproductive issues, and freedom of choice in general. Of course this is just my opinion.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not believe alike, but not be blinded by emotion when it comes to other women making choices concerning their bodies, reproductive issues, and freedom of choice in general. Of course this is just my opinion.

Aye, but I don't see a huge difference between men & women when it comes to being blinded by emotion.....or religion.

 

[esmith]

What Texans and conservatives don't understand is that there will be more abortions if PP is shut down. The majority of services at PP are to help women avoid getting pregnant. Oh well, this much was obvious.

And that is an important point that all too often gets overlooked.

I thought you understood Obamacare. Guess not by the above statements.
http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-birth-control/
http://www.today.com/money/birth-control-free-obamacare-most-women-didnt-know-2D11624208
http://www.politico.com/story/2011/01/medicaid-ups-birth-control-access-048101

Counter argument?

 

[metis]

The ACA and PP are not one and the same and both have people they help in the area of providing birth control.

 

[columbus]

Counter argument?

It would be easier to discuss if you gave an argument.
The article you linked to is old, as far as I can tell. There was no date I could find, but there were references to things that might happen in 2014, so I assume it is at least two years old.
But you have not actually made a point yourself.
Tom

 

[esmith]

It would be easier to discuss if you gave an argument.
The article you linked to is old, as far as I can tell. There was no date I could find, but there were references to things that might happen in 2014, so I assume it is at least two years old.
But you have not actually made a point yourself.
Tom

Obamacare along with Medicaid does cover birth-control, does it not? . If so, why do we, the taxpayers, who is subsiding Obamacare and Medicaid have to subside PlP? Doesn't everyone have to have medical insurance? I thought that was the purpose of Obamacare?

 

[metis]

Obamacare along with Medicaid does cover birth-control, does it not? . If so, why do we, the taxpayers, who is subsiding Obamacare and Medicaid have to subside PlP? Doesn't everyone have to have medical insurance? I thought that was the purpose of Obamacare?

Not everyone has coverage under the ACA as of yet, plus PP does help in this process. Also, PP does more than just BC pills, condoms, and abortions. For example, I had a vasectomy through them many moons ago, and I'm pretty certain you wouldn't want a lot more mini-me's running around, right?

 

[Sunstone]

The data seems questionable:

The figure was found by asking an online, representative sample of 779 women whether they themselves or whether their best friends had ever tried to self-induce an abortion. Of the Texas women surveyed, 1.7 percent said they had performed an abortion on themselves, but 4.1 percent of them said their best friend had or they suspected she had.

So, we're throwing out a figure based on a sampling of 779 women AND going off the fact that some of them 'suspected' their best friend had tried to induce an abortion? Doesn't really seem like sound research.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/11/texas-self-abort/416229/

A friend of mine whose masters is in mathematics tells me the higher figure might be the more accurate for at least two reasons. First, people might under-report whether they themselves have had an abortion due the perceptive that it's bad to have abortions, or that those who have them are bad people. Second, if you ask someone whether they have had an abortion, you are asking them about a sample pool of one. But if you ask people whether they know anyone who has had an abortion, and on average they each know twenty people, then you area asking them about a sample pool of twenty. That is, all else being equal, in the second case, there is a greater chance that at least one someone having had an abortion. I'm not sure I'm using the right language to express this in, but I hope you get the idea.

 

[leibowde84]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/17/texas-women-self-induced-abortions-study

This seems to be a consequence of Texas efforts to close abortion centers.

Please discuss.

This is the consequence of taking away women's reproductive rights. Fetus' will still be aborted, but the associated dangers will be 10 fold. We have to be intelligent about this issue and stop reverting to emotional stances.

 

[Altfish]

Obamacare along with Medicaid does cover birth-control, does it not? . If so, why do we, the taxpayers, who is subsiding Obamacare and Medicaid have to subside PlP? Doesn't everyone have to have medical insurance? I thought that was the purpose of Obamacare?

Are you male by any chance?

 

[columbus]

Obamacare along with Medicaid does cover birth-control, does it not? .

I don't think so. I know that the SCOTUS ruled that companies don't have to pay for birth control. And the taxpayer doesn't have to pay for abortions. So no, I don't think so.
Tom

 

[LittlePinky82]

What Texans and conservatives don't understand is that there will be more abortions if PP is shut down. The majority of services at PP are to help women avoid getting pregnant. Oh well, this much was obvious.

PP also gives out free condoms and cheaper birth control. Can't have that. People enjoying sex. Naughty naughty.

I don't think so. I know that the SCOTUS ruled that companies don't have to pay for birth control. And the taxpayer doesn't have to pay for abortions. So no, I don't think so.
Tom

No, I don't think so either. The Hobby Lobby case and Sandra Fluke come to mind. And yes, the fed govt doesn't pay for abortions. Damn, I can't remember the bill behind that now. It's on the tip of my brain.

"But... ABORTIONS" appears to be the clear counter argument.

Yes, that's like what less then 10% of what they do? Or 10%? Either way it's very low in their data of what they do as an agency. They do all sorts of screenings as well including for STDs and cancers. Even have male health care as well! They do screenings for male cancers too.

 

[psychoslice]

Good on them, my mum had two self induced abortions.