In the Book of Revelation, God is not the Lamb, and the Lamb is not God.

[filthyrottendirty]

The Book of Revelation is “the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God (Yahweh) gave him" (1:1). From the very first verse we are told that Jesus is not God. God is differentiated from Jesus. The God of Jesus Christ gave Jesus Christ this revelation.

In Revelation 1:5-6 Jesus Christ is “the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.” Jesus “loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father…”
The Father is Jesus Christ’s God in the Book of Revelation, just as other Scriptures testify many times (e.g., John 20:17, Rom. 15:6, 2 Cor. 1:3, 11:31, Eph 1:3, 17, 1 Pet. 1:3). Jesus told the Sardis church that their works were not perfect in the site of his God (3:2). Four times in one verse (3:12) Jesus referred to “my God”. This is the resurrected, glorified Jesus Christ speaking who is at the right hand of God. That Jesus Christ has a God.
In other words, not only is Jesus Christ distinguished from the Father in the Book of Revelation, he is also distinguished from God.

The Book of Revelation clearly distinguishes between the Almighty God, “Him who sits on the throne” (Revelation 4) and “the Lamb standing, as though it had been slain"(Revelation 5). The two are never confused. The Lamb is not God (who sits on the throne), God is not the Lamb. The God of chapter 4 is worshiped because He is God who created everything. The Lamb of chapter 5 is worshipped not because he is God, but because he was slain and by his blood did ransom men for God (5:10).
We can all agree that “the Lamb, standing as though it had been slain” in the Book of Revelation 5:6 is Jesus the Messiah, who was killed, but then raised from the dead. God, on the other hand, does not die, and is not raised from the dead.

Note how the Lamb is continually differentiated from God, who sits on the throne. That is, God is not the Lamb, and the Lamb is not God:
“To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”.
– Rev. 5:13
“Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb”.
– Rev. 6:16
After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number…standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.
– Rev. 7:9
“…crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
– Rev. 7:10

The same distinction between God, on the one hand, and the Lamb on the other, is made in Revelation 7:17, 14:4, 15:3, 21:22, 21:23, 22:1 and 22:3. In many other places in the Book of Revelation, Jesus Christ and the symbols representing Jesus Christ are differentiated from God (e.g., Rev. 11:15, 12:5).
The last two references to God and the Lamb in the Book of Revelation (Rev. 22:1 and 22:3) contain the phrase “the throne of God and of the Lamb”.

Some might say that this phrase shows that the Lamb is God. But this assumption is wrong for several reasons:
In these verses as well, God is distinguished from the Lamb. Whoever God is, He is not the Lamb. The Lamb is not God, and God is not the Lamb. The Lamb was slain and raised. God is not slain and raised.
This incorrect interpretation ignores all the other references in the Book of Revelation which also differentiate between God and the Lamb, and which state that the Lamb has a God.
The Lamb shares the throne of God because God has granted this to the Lamb: “he shall rule…even as I myself have received power from my Father (Rev. 2:27, 3:21, cf. Matt. 28:18). As a parallel, the LORD God put both David and Solomon on His (God’s) throne. “Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king in place of David his father” (1 Chron. 29:23). But neither David nor Solomon were God just because they were granted by God to rule as God’s representatives on God’s throne. As God’s chosen, anointed kings, David and Solomon were granted to sit on God’s throne. So is the risen Jesus Christ.

It is clear from the Book of Revelation that Jesus Christ, the Lamb who was slain but who now lives, the firstborn from the dead, the beginning of God’s creation, is not God.
You might argue that the deity of Christ was revealed to the apostles gradually or progressively. If that were the case, we should expect to find Jesus clearly presented as God in the Book of Revelation, the last book of the New Testament canon. Yet that is not the case. Instead, the Book of Revelation distinguishes between God and Jesus. Revelation tells us that God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God.

 

[Colt]

The Book of Revelation is “the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God (Yahweh) gave him" (1:1). From the very first verse we are told that Jesus is not God. God is differentiated from Jesus. The God of Jesus Christ gave Jesus Christ this revelation.

In Revelation 1:5-6 Jesus Christ is “the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.” Jesus “loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father…”
The Father is Jesus Christ’s God in the Book of Revelation, just as other Scriptures testify many times (e.g., John 20:17, Rom. 15:6, 2 Cor. 1:3, 11:31, Eph 1:3, 17, 1 Pet. 1:3). Jesus told the Sardis church that their works were not perfect in the site of his God (3:2). Four times in one verse (3:12) Jesus referred to “my God”. This is the resurrected, glorified Jesus Christ speaking who is at the right hand of God. That Jesus Christ has a God.
In other words, not only is Jesus Christ distinguished from the Father in the Book of Revelation, he is also distinguished from God.

The Book of Revelation clearly distinguishes between the Almighty God, “Him who sits on the throne” (Revelation 4) and “the Lamb standing, as though it had been slain"(Revelation 5). The two are never confused. The Lamb is not God (who sits on the throne), God is not the Lamb. The God of chapter 4 is worshiped because He is God who created everything. The Lamb of chapter 5 is worshipped not because he is God, but because he was slain and by his blood did ransom men for God (5:10).
We can all agree that “the Lamb, standing as though it had been slain” in the Book of Revelation 5:6 is Jesus the Messiah, who was killed, but then raised from the dead. God, on the other hand, does not die, and is not raised from the dead.

Note how the Lamb is continually differentiated from God, who sits on the throne. That is, God is not the Lamb, and the Lamb is not God:
“To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”.
– Rev. 5:13
“Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb”.
– Rev. 6:16
After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number…standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.
– Rev. 7:9
“…crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
– Rev. 7:10

The same distinction between God, on the one hand, and the Lamb on the other, is made in Revelation 7:17, 14:4, 15:3, 21:22, 21:23, 22:1 and 22:3. In many other places in the Book of Revelation, Jesus Christ and the symbols representing Jesus Christ are differentiated from God (e.g., Rev. 11:15, 12:5).
The last two references to God and the Lamb in the Book of Revelation (Rev. 22:1 and 22:3) contain the phrase “the throne of God and of the Lamb”.

Some might say that this phrase shows that the Lamb is God. But this assumption is wrong for several reasons:
In these verses as well, God is distinguished from the Lamb. Whoever God is, He is not the Lamb. The Lamb is not God, and God is not the Lamb. The Lamb was slain and raised. God is not slain and raised.
This incorrect interpretation ignores all the other references in the Book of Revelation which also differentiate between God and the Lamb, and which state that the Lamb has a God.
The Lamb shares the throne of God because God has granted this to the Lamb: “he shall rule…even as I myself have received power from my Father (Rev. 2:27, 3:21, cf. Matt. 28:18). As a parallel, the LORD God put both David and Solomon on His (God’s) throne. “Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king in place of David his father” (1 Chron. 29:23). But neither David nor Solomon were God just because they were granted by God to rule as God’s representatives on God’s throne. As God’s chosen, anointed kings, David and Solomon were granted to sit on God’s throne. So is the risen Jesus Christ.

It is clear from the Book of Revelation that Jesus Christ, the Lamb who was slain but who now lives, the firstborn from the dead, the beginning of God’s creation, is not God.
You might argue that the deity of Christ was revealed to the apostles gradually or progressively. If that were the case, we should expect to find Jesus clearly presented as God in the Book of Revelation, the last book of the New Testament canon. Yet that is not the case. Instead, the Book of Revelation distinguishes between God and Jesus. Revelation tells us that God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God.

The BOR was the last and most controversial book added to the Bible book collection. Its a fragmented and compromised version of what John originally wrote. But it does refer to the Sons heavenly name Michael.

 

[Jimmy]

The Book of Revelation is “the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God (Yahweh) gave him" (1:1). From the very first verse we are told that Jesus is not God. God is differentiated from Jesus. The God of Jesus Christ gave Jesus Christ this revelation.

In Revelation 1:5-6 Jesus Christ is “the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.” Jesus “loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father…”
The Father is Jesus Christ’s God in the Book of Revelation, just as other Scriptures testify many times (e.g., John 20:17, Rom. 15:6, 2 Cor. 1:3, 11:31, Eph 1:3, 17, 1 Pet. 1:3). Jesus told the Sardis church that their works were not perfect in the site of his God (3:2). Four times in one verse (3:12) Jesus referred to “my God”. This is the resurrected, glorified Jesus Christ speaking who is at the right hand of God. That Jesus Christ has a God.
In other words, not only is Jesus Christ distinguished from the Father in the Book of Revelation, he is also distinguished from God.

The Book of Revelation clearly distinguishes between the Almighty God, “Him who sits on the throne” (Revelation 4) and “the Lamb standing, as though it had been slain"(Revelation 5). The two are never confused. The Lamb is not God (who sits on the throne), God is not the Lamb. The God of chapter 4 is worshiped because He is God who created everything. The Lamb of chapter 5 is worshipped not because he is God, but because he was slain and by his blood did ransom men for God (5:10).
We can all agree that “the Lamb, standing as though it had been slain” in the Book of Revelation 5:6 is Jesus the Messiah, who was killed, but then raised from the dead. God, on the other hand, does not die, and is not raised from the dead.

Note how the Lamb is continually differentiated from God, who sits on the throne. That is, God is not the Lamb, and the Lamb is not God:
“To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”.
– Rev. 5:13
“Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb”.
– Rev. 6:16
After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number…standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.
– Rev. 7:9
“…crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
– Rev. 7:10

The same distinction between God, on the one hand, and the Lamb on the other, is made in Revelation 7:17, 14:4, 15:3, 21:22, 21:23, 22:1 and 22:3. In many other places in the Book of Revelation, Jesus Christ and the symbols representing Jesus Christ are differentiated from God (e.g., Rev. 11:15, 12:5).
The last two references to God and the Lamb in the Book of Revelation (Rev. 22:1 and 22:3) contain the phrase “the throne of God and of the Lamb”.

Some might say that this phrase shows that the Lamb is God. But this assumption is wrong for several reasons:
In these verses as well, God is distinguished from the Lamb. Whoever God is, He is not the Lamb. The Lamb is not God, and God is not the Lamb. The Lamb was slain and raised. God is not slain and raised.
This incorrect interpretation ignores all the other references in the Book of Revelation which also differentiate between God and the Lamb, and which state that the Lamb has a God.
The Lamb shares the throne of God because God has granted this to the Lamb: “he shall rule…even as I myself have received power from my Father (Rev. 2:27, 3:21, cf. Matt. 28:18). As a parallel, the LORD God put both David and Solomon on His (God’s) throne. “Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king in place of David his father” (1 Chron. 29:23). But neither David nor Solomon were God just because they were granted by God to rule as God’s representatives on God’s throne. As God’s chosen, anointed kings, David and Solomon were granted to sit on God’s throne. So is the risen Jesus Christ.

It is clear from the Book of Revelation that Jesus Christ, the Lamb who was slain but who now lives, the firstborn from the dead, the beginning of God’s creation, is not God.
You might argue that the deity of Christ was revealed to the apostles gradually or progressively. If that were the case, we should expect to find Jesus clearly presented as God in the Book of Revelation, the last book of the New Testament canon. Yet that is not the case. Instead, the Book of Revelation distinguishes between God and Jesus. Revelation tells us that God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God.

Someone like Jesus would be a manefestation of god

 

[metis]

The BOR was the last and most controversial book added to the Bible book collection. Its a fragmented and compromised version of what John originally wrote. But it does refer to the Sons heavenly name Michael.

Exactly, and there was lotsa controversy with the book over both the authorship [it has two distinct writing styles, plus apparently John denied writing at least some of it], plus the issue of Jesus' "millennial reign" is not found in any other source if it's taken literally.

With the latter, many theologians believe the "millennial reign" may be a reference to Jesus' creation of his "Kingdom" that began with his starting the Church or with what was going to happen at Pentecost.

 

[TiggerII]

“ALLELUIA, the Greek form (Revelation 19:1, 3, 4, 6) of the Hebrew Hallelujah = Praise ye Jehovah, which begins or ends several of the psalms (106, 111, 112, 113, etc.).” – Easton’s Bible Dictionary, Thomas Nelson Publ., 1897.

The NT Greek text does have the initial ‘H’ sound. The “misspelling” is in certain English translations (e.g., KJV) which drop the beginning ‘H’ sound: “Alleluia”! However, most respected modern translations do have “Hallelujah” in Rev. 19 (e.g., NIV, NASB, RSV, NRSV, ASV, REB, MLB, Mo, and Barclay).

Rev. 19:4 - And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sits on the throne, saying, “Amen. Hallelujah!” - NASB.

Since God alone is sitting on the throne and Jesus is not, it is significant for those who insist that Jesus is Jehovah that God on the throne here is worshiped by those by saying “Praise ye Jehovah.”

 

[Redemptionsong]

In other words, not only is Jesus Christ distinguished from the Father in the Book of Revelation, he is also distinguished from God.

That's quite in keeping with the belief that Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man. A true mediator.

The soul of man prays to his God; the Spirit of the Son communes with his Father.

If you take the position that Jesus Christ is not fully God, then you fall foul of passages like Isaiah 45:22,23. 'Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.'

To whom shall 'every knee' bow, and 'every tongue' swear? Is it not the LORD God?

Now look at Philippians 2:9-11. 'Wherefore God hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.'

Surely, the Son is worthy of our service because that is the will of the Father. And, as it says in the first commandment, 'Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.' [Matthew 4:10] How can Jesus Christ not, therefore, be God?

 

[LightofTruth]

The Book of Revelation is “the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God (Yahweh) gave him" (1:1). From the very first verse we are told that Jesus is not God. God is differentiated from Jesus. The God of Jesus Christ gave Jesus Christ this revelation.

In Revelation 1:5-6 Jesus Christ is “the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.” Jesus “loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father…”
The Father is Jesus Christ’s God in the Book of Revelation, just as other Scriptures testify many times (e.g., John 20:17, Rom. 15:6, 2 Cor. 1:3, 11:31, Eph 1:3, 17, 1 Pet. 1:3). Jesus told the Sardis church that their works were not perfect in the site of his God (3:2). Four times in one verse (3:12) Jesus referred to “my God”. This is the resurrected, glorified Jesus Christ speaking who is at the right hand of God. That Jesus Christ has a God.
In other words, not only is Jesus Christ distinguished from the Father in the Book of Revelation, he is also distinguished from God.

The Book of Revelation clearly distinguishes between the Almighty God, “Him who sits on the throne” (Revelation 4) and “the Lamb standing, as though it had been slain"(Revelation 5). The two are never confused. The Lamb is not God (who sits on the throne), God is not the Lamb. The God of chapter 4 is worshiped because He is God who created everything. The Lamb of chapter 5 is worshipped not because he is God, but because he was slain and by his blood did ransom men for God (5:10).
We can all agree that “the Lamb, standing as though it had been slain” in the Book of Revelation 5:6 is Jesus the Messiah, who was killed, but then raised from the dead. God, on the other hand, does not die, and is not raised from the dead.

Note how the Lamb is continually differentiated from God, who sits on the throne. That is, God is not the Lamb, and the Lamb is not God:
“To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”.
– Rev. 5:13
“Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb”.
– Rev. 6:16
After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number…standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.
– Rev. 7:9
“…crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
– Rev. 7:10

The same distinction between God, on the one hand, and the Lamb on the other, is made in Revelation 7:17, 14:4, 15:3, 21:22, 21:23, 22:1 and 22:3. In many other places in the Book of Revelation, Jesus Christ and the symbols representing Jesus Christ are differentiated from God (e.g., Rev. 11:15, 12:5).
The last two references to God and the Lamb in the Book of Revelation (Rev. 22:1 and 22:3) contain the phrase “the throne of God and of the Lamb”.

Some might say that this phrase shows that the Lamb is God. But this assumption is wrong for several reasons:
In these verses as well, God is distinguished from the Lamb. Whoever God is, He is not the Lamb. The Lamb is not God, and God is not the Lamb. The Lamb was slain and raised. God is not slain and raised.
This incorrect interpretation ignores all the other references in the Book of Revelation which also differentiate between God and the Lamb, and which state that the Lamb has a God.
The Lamb shares the throne of God because God has granted this to the Lamb: “he shall rule…even as I myself have received power from my Father (Rev. 2:27, 3:21, cf. Matt. 28:18). As a parallel, the LORD God put both David and Solomon on His (God’s) throne. “Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king in place of David his father” (1 Chron. 29:23). But neither David nor Solomon were God just because they were granted by God to rule as God’s representatives on God’s throne. As God’s chosen, anointed kings, David and Solomon were granted to sit on God’s throne. So is the risen Jesus Christ.

It is clear from the Book of Revelation that Jesus Christ, the Lamb who was slain but who now lives, the firstborn from the dead, the beginning of God’s creation, is not God.
You might argue that the deity of Christ was revealed to the apostles gradually or progressively. If that were the case, we should expect to find Jesus clearly presented as God in the Book of Revelation, the last book of the New Testament canon. Yet that is not the case. Instead, the Book of Revelation distinguishes between God and Jesus. Revelation tells us that God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God.

Nice to see another poster who knows Jesus has a God.

 

[LightofTruth]

That's quite in keeping with the belief that Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man. A true mediator.

The soul of man prays to his God; the Spirit of the Son communes with his Father.

If you take the position that Jesus Christ is not fully God, then you fall foul of passages like Isaiah 45:22,23. 'Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.'

To whom shall 'every knee' bow, and 'every tongue' swear? Is it not the LORD God?

Now look at Philippians 2:9-11. 'Wherefore God hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.'

Surely, the Son is worthy of our service because that is the will of the Father. And, as it says in the first commandment, 'Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.' [Matthew 4:10] How can Jesus Christ not, therefore, be God?

The name above all names is the name of the one true God, Yahweh. Jesus carries that name as he said, " I have come in the name of my Father". To come in the name of the Father, Yahweh, is to represent Yahweh.
Yahweh was speaking for Jesus when He said every knee will bow to me.

 

[LightofTruth]

I don't think there are 3 Yahweh's

 

[Brickjectivity]

I suggest don't worry about who knows this and who doesn't. I've met some very talented Bible readers with deep understanding who were no better than anyone else. There is always someone who knows more but does nothing with it. In the end it has only given me a fat head going about solving Bible puzzles and resolving questions.

 

[Brian2]

The Book of Revelation is “the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God (Yahweh) gave him" (1:1). From the very first verse we are told that Jesus is not God. God is differentiated from Jesus. The God of Jesus Christ gave Jesus Christ this revelation.

In Revelation 1:5-6 Jesus Christ is “the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.” Jesus “loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father…”
The Father is Jesus Christ’s God in the Book of Revelation, just as other Scriptures testify many times (e.g., John 20:17, Rom. 15:6, 2 Cor. 1:3, 11:31, Eph 1:3, 17, 1 Pet. 1:3). Jesus told the Sardis church that their works were not perfect in the site of his God (3:2). Four times in one verse (3:12) Jesus referred to “my God”. This is the resurrected, glorified Jesus Christ speaking who is at the right hand of God. That Jesus Christ has a God.
In other words, not only is Jesus Christ distinguished from the Father in the Book of Revelation, he is also distinguished from God.

The Book of Revelation clearly distinguishes between the Almighty God, “Him who sits on the throne” (Revelation 4) and “the Lamb standing, as though it had been slain"(Revelation 5). The two are never confused. The Lamb is not God (who sits on the throne), God is not the Lamb. The God of chapter 4 is worshiped because He is God who created everything. The Lamb of chapter 5 is worshipped not because he is God, but because he was slain and by his blood did ransom men for God (5:10).
We can all agree that “the Lamb, standing as though it had been slain” in the Book of Revelation 5:6 is Jesus the Messiah, who was killed, but then raised from the dead. God, on the other hand, does not die, and is not raised from the dead.

Note how the Lamb is continually differentiated from God, who sits on the throne. That is, God is not the Lamb, and the Lamb is not God:
“To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”.
– Rev. 5:13
“Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb”.
– Rev. 6:16
After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number…standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.
– Rev. 7:9
“…crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
– Rev. 7:10

The same distinction between God, on the one hand, and the Lamb on the other, is made in Revelation 7:17, 14:4, 15:3, 21:22, 21:23, 22:1 and 22:3. In many other places in the Book of Revelation, Jesus Christ and the symbols representing Jesus Christ are differentiated from God (e.g., Rev. 11:15, 12:5).
The last two references to God and the Lamb in the Book of Revelation (Rev. 22:1 and 22:3) contain the phrase “the throne of God and of the Lamb”.

Some might say that this phrase shows that the Lamb is God. But this assumption is wrong for several reasons:
In these verses as well, God is distinguished from the Lamb. Whoever God is, He is not the Lamb. The Lamb is not God, and God is not the Lamb. The Lamb was slain and raised. God is not slain and raised.
This incorrect interpretation ignores all the other references in the Book of Revelation which also differentiate between God and the Lamb, and which state that the Lamb has a God.
The Lamb shares the throne of God because God has granted this to the Lamb: “he shall rule…even as I myself have received power from my Father (Rev. 2:27, 3:21, cf. Matt. 28:18). As a parallel, the LORD God put both David and Solomon on His (God’s) throne. “Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king in place of David his father” (1 Chron. 29:23). But neither David nor Solomon were God just because they were granted by God to rule as God’s representatives on God’s throne. As God’s chosen, anointed kings, David and Solomon were granted to sit on God’s throne. So is the risen Jesus Christ.

It is clear from the Book of Revelation that Jesus Christ, the Lamb who was slain but who now lives, the firstborn from the dead, the beginning of God’s creation, is not God.
You might argue that the deity of Christ was revealed to the apostles gradually or progressively. If that were the case, we should expect to find Jesus clearly presented as God in the Book of Revelation, the last book of the New Testament canon. Yet that is not the case. Instead, the Book of Revelation distinguishes between God and Jesus. Revelation tells us that God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God.

Do you believe that Jesus is still a man and that as a man He has a God?
Are you doing this as a believer in Jesus or from outside of belief in Jesus?

 

[Trailblazer]

Someone like Jesus would be a manefestation of god

That's what Jesus was.

 

[LightofTruth]

I suggest don't worry about who knows this and who doesn't. I've met some very talented Bible readers with deep understanding who were no better than anyone else. There is always someone who knows more but does nothing with it. In the end it has only given me a fat head going about solving Bible puzzles and resolving questions.

We need guard against the fat head.

 

[WhoIsBeast 750]

when you understand what prophecy is hidden in the bible then you will know what Jesus said and what is hidden from people's faces without realizing it¨


absolutely no one understands anything even if they claim that yes if they caught it her false mouths would not write anything anywhere but I will not write everything that is there the right does not belong to me because I am not the one who is written there

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Nice post!

So many don’t realize that, by trying to make Jesus into God, they’re actually overstepping the very First Commandment recorded in Exodus 20:1-3, American Standard Version:
“1And God spake all these words, saying,
2I am Jehovah thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”

But most seem to not care.

 

[Deeje]

That's quite in keeping with the belief that Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man. A true mediator.

Where will I find a statement in the Bible to the effect that Jesus is "fully God and fully man"?
As a mediator, he was appointed by God as a "go between" so that sinful humans could still approach God in prayer. Since sin is the barrier between God and man.....Jesus bridges the gap. If he was God that makes no sense....we would need a mediator between us and Jesus if he was God.

The soul of man prays to his God; the Spirit of the Son communes with his Father.

And again where will I find that notion in scripture?
Man is a soul and he prays to God in the manner that Jesus taught....by offering our prayers to God "in Jesus' name" we acknowledge our sinful condition and the role Jesus plays as our redeemer. We are only able to approach God in prayer because of him and the sacrifice he offered. Pre-Christian servants of God had to rely on animal sacrifices for the temporarily forgiveness of their sins.

If you take the position that Jesus Christ is not fully God, then you fall foul of passages like Isaiah 45:22,23. 'Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.'

To whom shall 'every knee' bow, and 'every tongue' swear? Is it not the LORD God?

Now look at Philippians 2:9-11. 'Wherefore God hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.'

As Paul said in Romans 14:11...
"For it is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says Jehovah, ‘to me every knee will bend, and every tongue will make open acknowledgment to God.’”
Was Paul in any doubt as to who was God and who he wasn't?
1 Corinthians 8:5-6...
"For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him."

Philippians 2:5-11.....actually says the opposite to what most people assume it does....break it down...

"Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God"

So he never claimed equality with God...ever.

"7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human. 8 More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake."

If Jesus was God to whom was he obedient? To whom did he have to subject himself....God has no one higher than he is. (Psalm 83:18)

"9 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name"

How does God give himself a name "above" the name that he already has? How can God be elevated to a superior position? He already occupies the most superior position?

"10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father."

So whose glory is the obedient course of the son honoring? Not his own...but that of his God and Father.
This scripture is saying the exact opposite of what trinitarians think it does.

Surely, the Son is worthy of our service because that is the will of the Father. And, as it says in the first commandment, 'Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.' [Matthew 4:10] How can Jesus Christ not, therefore, be God?

The son is definitely worthy of our service, but he himself is in the service of his God as an "apostle and High Priest" (Hebrews 3:1) How can God serve himself in those capacities? Jesus' God is also Our God.
"The Lord thy God" whom Jesus spoke about is Yahweh....Jesus is never once called Yahweh.

 

[Trailblazer]

Where will I find a statement in the Bible to the effect that Jesus is "fully God and fully man"?

Nowhere, because that is a man-made doctrine of the Church.

 

[Deeje]

Nowhere, because that is a man-made doctrine of the Church.

It is....and the “weeds” of Jesus’ parable under the influence of their god have taken God’s servant and put him in equal place with his God....a clear breach of the First Commandment.

There is no trinity in any Abrahamic religion except Christendom. It was adopted centuries ago from pagan concepts, but it has been in place so long that it is never questioned by them....it ruffles feathers if you challenge it.

Jesus was Jewish and they have never believed in a trinity.....

 

[Trailblazer]

It is....and the “weeds” of Jesus’ parable under the influence of their god have taken God’s servant and put him in equal place with his God....a clear breach of the First Commandment.

Yes, and you are preaching to the choir, but keep preaching the Truth because somebody has to speak up for the Truth.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Where will I find a statement in the Bible to the effect that Jesus is "fully God and fully man"?
As a mediator, he was appointed by God as a "go between" so that sinful humans could still approach God in prayer. Since sin is the barrier between God and man.....Jesus bridges the gap. If he was God that makes no sense....we would need a mediator between us and Jesus if he was God.


And again where will I find that notion in scripture?
Man is a soul and he prays to God in the manner that Jesus taught....by offering our prayers to God "in Jesus' name" we acknowledge our sinful condition and the role Jesus plays as our redeemer. We are only able to approach God in prayer because of him and the sacrifice he offered. Pre-Christian servants of God had to rely on animal sacrifices for the temporarily forgiveness of their sins.



As Paul said in Romans 14:11...
"For it is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says Jehovah, ‘to me every knee will bend, and every tongue will make open acknowledgment to God.’”
Was Paul in any doubt as to who was God and who he wasn't?
1 Corinthians 8:5-6...
"For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him."

Philippians 2:5-11.....actually says the opposite to what most people assume it does....break it down...

"Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God"

So he never claimed equality with God...ever.

"7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human. 8 More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake."

If Jesus was God to whom was he obedient? To whom did he have to subject himself to....God has no one higher than he is. (Psalm 83:18)

"9 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name"

How does God give himself a name "above" the name that he already has? How can God be elevated to a superior position? He already occupies the most superior position?

"10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father."

So whose glory is the obedient course of the son honoring? Not his own...but that of his God and Father.
This scripture is saying the exact opposite of what trinitarians think it does.


The son is definitely worthy of our service, but he himself is in the service of his God as an "apostle and High Priest" (Hebrews 3:1) How can God serve himself in those capacities? Jesus' God is also Our God.
"The Lord thy God" whom Jesus spoke about is Yahweh....Jesus is never once called Yahweh.

There’s a lot of Scripture where Jesus is shown to be God the Son, there are not 3 Gods, just One. God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is worshipped because He is God and only God is to be worshipped.
“Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:55-59‬ ‭NKJV‬‬