Don Penguinoini
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Do you think some religions have flawed the concept of god god?
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In what religion is god flawed?
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Don Penguinoini
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Makes him/her look bad or evil. Anything bad or negative.
Godfather89
I am Who I am
Yes of course, all religions do that the minute you institutionalize religious experiences. The minute you make dogma and doctrine that is when you make God look like something God is not.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
I know, but i needed to put it in there.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
I s'psoe that makes sense, but can you back them up?
McBell
Unbound
back what up?
The thing about the concept of 'flaws' is that it is subjective.
What I consider a flaw, you may not.
What you consider a flaw, I may not.
I have lost count the number of times I have seen a 'flaw' pointed out and someone state that it is not a consequential flaw, so it is irrelevant.
Or that the mistranslation does not effect the overall meaning of the passage.
Or that it is the physical church that is divided not the spiritual church so Christianity is not divided.
God isn't flawed, but sometimes people's interpretation may be.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
Cant' we agree on a simple idea such as a flaw? just me and you?
McBell
Unbound
I believe that God being unknowable is a flaw.
How is one to even respect an unknowable deity, let alone worship it?
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
I know he said, thank you very much. All i meant is that can we agree on one little flaw, such as, a god who commands to kill has some flaws?
It's actually relatively recently that the idea of infalible God or Gods came about. Most if not all ancient Gods such as those of the Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, etc. were very fallible and even today the majority of Gods have "flaws" or are considered fallible. In fact, corect me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Abrahamic traditions are the only traditions that believe in an infallible God, though I coul be wrong about that. And I also have to agree with Mestemia in terms of whether or not a God concept is flawed. There are many God concepts that don't work for me personally but that does not make those concepts necessarilly/inherently flawed or wrong. It's about preference and personal belief. For example: I really don't like spicy food but that doesn't make spicy food bad nor does it mean that those who do like spicy food should still avoid it. My preference is not their preference and they should feel free to eat all the hot tamales and jalepanos they wish. I feel the same way about many different God concepts as I do about spicy food. I don't like like them, they don't work for me, but that doesn't mean they are bad concepts or flawed concepts nor does it mean they won't work for other people. Because of my personal beliefs I really can't call any God or God concept "flawed" but this isn't because I believe in the infallibility of God, it is because I don't believe in "infallibility" or "perfection or anything like that. I don't mainly because it is such a subjective term that one person's idea of perfection would seem completely flawed in another person's mind. Basically one person's hell is another person's hevean and vice versa. Thus since I don't believe in the infallible in the perfect all I can really say about any particular God or God concept is that "I disagree", or "I don't understand", or "It just doesn't work for me personally."
Godfather89
I am Who I am
Thats the problem with Dogma and Doctrine, it makes it official, final and exclusive. What we need is an inclusive, loose to hypothesis which is based on experience and a fluid definition of what God is. Like I say (and I feel like a broken record) "Many People, Many Ways Back to God and Many ways to understand God."
But in accordance to my own quote, perhaps we shouldn't talk about God as some universal sameness type concept but as a universal uniqueness seeing God in many shades and colors if you will not just one or two. That in my opinion is the best way to get around the God and flawed problem because, God would be flawless unto our own experiences and when we learn something new about God in our lives than we would have an even more perfected view of God. The trick of course is weaving between our Ego's and Our Higher Selves.
But in accordance to my own quote, perhaps we shouldn't talk about God as some universal sameness type concept but as a universal uniqueness seeing God in many shades and colors if you will not just one or two. That in my opinion is the best way to get around the God and flawed problem because, God would be flawless unto our own experiences and when we learn something new about God in our lives than we would have an even more perfected view of God. The trick of course is weaving between our Ego's and Our Higher Selves.
gnostic
The Lost One
I have put all Abrahamic religions, and paganism. The ideas of perfection, omniscient, omnipotent, etc, in Christianity and Islam, seemed highly unlikely and absurd ideals.
I don't know much about Hinduism and Buddhism, so I didn't select them, but I assuming that they are flaws too.
Atheism is not a religion, and they don't believe in any deity, so I thought it was silly for people to even vote it in the poll.
I don't know much about Hinduism and Buddhism, so I didn't select them, but I assuming that they are flaws too.
Atheism is not a religion, and they don't believe in any deity, so I thought it was silly for people to even vote it in the poll.
gnostic
The Lost One
I find a god that is angry or jealous, to be a flaw.ChristineES said:
I find that a god that ordered Saul to slaughter the Amalelkites, including women and children, to be a serious flaw.
And I find God sending Satan to torment Job, in order to test one's faith, as well as trying to prove himself right with a wager, to be a flaw, and a worrisome one at that.
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