Incarnation question.

[chinu]

Question for the people who believe in Incarnation.

Q; What are/is Reasons that leads you towards the conclusion, that God's incarnation isn't possible in todays world, as compare to ancient world ?

 

[Vinayaka]

I don't think God has ever incarnated in totally. An incarnation would mean a limiting aspect, and since my view of God is that God is limitless, it is a contradiction that God would incarnate.

I believe, however, that God has portions of Himself here, there, and everywhere. Perhaps these have been mistaken for God.

 

[BruceDLimber]

From a Baha'i source:

"[The] invisible yet rational God ... can in no wise incarnate His infinite, His unknowable, His incorruptible and all-embracing Reality in the concrete and limited frame of a mortal being. Indeed, the God Who could so incarnate His own reality would, in the light of the teachings of Bahá'u'lláh, cease immediately to be God. So crude and fantastic a theory of Divine incarnation is as removed from, and incompatible with, the essentials of Bahá'í belief as are the no less inadmissible pantheistic and anthropomorphic conceptions of God."

—(Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Baha'u'llah, p. 113)

 

[chinu]

I don't think God has ever incarnated in totally. An incarnation would mean a limiting aspect, and since my view of God is that God is limitless, it is a contradiction that God would incarnate.

I believe, however, that God has portions of Himself here, there, and everywhere. Perhaps these have been mistaken for God.

Yes, God incarnate in totally too.
I think you aren't aware of this history, at the time of Krishna that person was known as "Karunamai". Some people think that "Karunamai" was another name for Krishna, but he was a different sadhu.

 

[chinu]

From a Baha'i source:

"[The] invisible yet rational God ... can in no wise incarnate His infinite, His unknowable, His incorruptible and all-embracing Reality in the concrete and limited frame of a mortal being. Indeed, the God Who could so incarnate His own reality would, in the light of the teachings of Bahá'u'lláh, cease immediately to be God. So crude and fantastic a theory of Divine incarnation is as removed from, and incompatible with, the essentials of Bahá'í belief as are the no less inadmissible pantheistic and anthropomorphic conceptions of God."

—(Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Baha'u'llah, p. 113)

So, what's the final answer that you are trying to give me through this quote ?

 

[George-ananda]

Question for the people who believe in Incarnation.

Q; What are/is Reasons that leads you towards the conclusion, that God's incarnation isn't possible in todays world, as compare to ancient world ?

I believe it happened in the past and today. Certain Hindu saints I personally consider Avatars (divine incarnations).

 

[chinu]

I believe it happened in the past and today. Certain Hindu saints I personally consider Avatars (divine incarnations).

So, you believe that incarnation is also possible today's world. Anyways.. thank you so much for your input, George-ananda.

 

[Jainarayan]

I believe it happened in the past and today. Certain Hindu saints I personally consider Avatars (divine incarnations).

I do too. Who are we to say what God can do and can't do, when and how?

 

[chinu]

I do too. Who are we to say what God can do and can't do, when and how?

Debaters, aren't we ?

 

[Jainarayan]

Sometimes we humans are guilty of hubris, arrogant pride, where God is concerned.

 

[chinu]

Sometimes we humans are guilty of hubris, arrogant pride, where God is concerned.

No,
Sometimes we humans are guilty of hubris, arrogant pride, Even in front of a five year child, but doesn't care for the one who is omnipresent. And we call our self Theists.

 

[Muffled]

I don't think God has ever incarnated in totally. An incarnation would mean a limiting aspect, and since my view of God is that God is limitless, it is a contradiction that God would incarnate.

I believe, however, that God has portions of Himself here, there, and everywhere. Perhaps these have been mistaken for God.

I believe this is conceptual and not the reality. God is one wherever He is.

I believe incarnation is not capable of limiting God.

If you mean that He couldn't fit His presence throughout the universe in a body, I would agree.

 

[Muffled]

From a Baha'i source:

"[The] invisible yet rational God ... can in no wise incarnate His infinite, His unknowable, His incorruptible and all-embracing Reality in the concrete and limited frame of a mortal being. Indeed, the God Who could so incarnate His own reality would, in the light of the teachings of Bahá'u'lláh, cease immediately to be God. So crude and fantastic a theory of Divine incarnation is as removed from, and incompatible with, the essentials of Bahá'í belief as are the no less inadmissible pantheistic and anthropomorphic conceptions of God."

—(Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Baha'u'llah, p. 113)

I believe the Baha'i postion on this has flaws in its logic.

 

[YmirGF]

There are most definitely some who are born with a far larger piece of the puzzle clutched in their little hands than is the norm, whether such resulting human animals are "god" is another question.
(They tend to come 'like a thief in the night" rather than advertising their status.)

Who says they are no longer incarnating? Perhaps it is more a case of us no longer recognizing such personages due to our current mind set. *giggles uproariously*

 

[BruceDLimber]

So, what's the final answer that you are trying to give me through this quote?

No, there's no such thing as incarnation of God.

Simple as that.

Bruce

 

[BruceDLimber]

I believe the Baha'i postion on this has flaws in its logic.

So sorry, but that's mere assertion without evidence!

If you think that, feel free to state what these supposed "flaws" are.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[chinu]

No, there's no such thing as incarnation of God.

Simple as that.

Bruce

Than, who was Baha'u'llah ?

 

[YmirGF]

Than, who was Baha'u'llah ?

a really cool dude who didn't like having his picture taken?

 

[BruceDLimber]

Than [sic], who was Baha'u'llah ?

Baha'u'llah was the latest of many God-sent Divine Messengers Who came to renew religion and provide humanity with new teachings (we still know of over a dozen of these Messengers).

He was as well a servant of God, but definitely not God Himself! As I already pointed out, the Baha'i view is that God does not incarnate Himself.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Silver Wolf]

I don't think God has ever incarnated in totally. An incarnation would mean a limiting aspect, and since my view of God is that God is limitless, it is a contradiction that God would incarnate.

I believe, however, that God has portions of Himself here, there, and everywhere. Perhaps these have been mistaken for God.

I agree a lot with Vinayaka.
I believe that God empowers certain individuals (who are to God what raindrops are to an ocean.) to complete certain tasks, but in this dark age, I doubt that, beside a few torchbearers, there are many.