Inconvenient historical truths?

[SomeRandom]

No group is perfectly monolithic. Here is one man's interesting discourse on the political groups he has identified in Canadian politics, noting that often people do not fully agree in discrete blocks.

Spoiler: 35 Tribes of Canada vid

On that I do agree.
I think sometimes people like to paint one group (particularly minorities) as just one monolith. Just because it’s convenient.
I see it happening whenever a minority does something awful, the media acts as if that act reflects the entire community that minority happens to belong to.
I find that kind of thinking to be fairly common (though in fairness mostly among the younger kids) and it can lead to some toxic outcomes imo

 

[an anarchist]

I know you said 'in the US' but your point is overstated at best.

Overstated? On the contrary, I made an understatement. Minimum wage is just one aspect of the financial system of which the banking and oil system is structured around eugenics. The whole thing is structured with a eugenics lens. So I made an understatement really

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Overstated? On the contrary, I made an understatement. Minimum wage is just one aspect of the financial system of which the banking and oil system is structured around eugenics. The whole thing is structured with a eugenics lens. So I made an understatement really

Nope.

Tying the establishment of minimum wage to eugenics in any sort of holistic sense is misinformation.

Minimum wages as a whole were established with the assistance of trade unions, and with a fairly straightforward goal of providing a basic floor for how workers would be treated in terms of pay.

This combined with a number of other measures around leave, hours of work, penalty rates, holiday leave loading, etc, to ensure that workers have a baseline set of pay and conditions legally protected.

You can have all the issues with the entire capitalist system you want, and argue about banking and oil impacting. But if you're talking about minimum wages in any sort of holistic sense you're either overstating, or misinforming.

Given the point of the OP is to clarify and provide instances where reality impinged on preferred world views, I think it might be worth you considering you're on the wrong side of this coin.

Or offer some evidence specifically related to the establishment of minimum wages being tied to eugenics.

 

[RestlessSoul]

The lesson from history is that if the Nazis could come to power in Germany and Austria, which were once culturally and geographically at the heart of the European Enlightenment, something similar could happen anywhere. Such is man’s capacity for barbarity, when civil society collapses. Rather worrying given the current state affairs seemingly throughout the world.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think it's also a problem of religious mindset.
Whenever a religion is founded on the "us vs them" notion, the followers of that religion will never admit that there are wicked people among them, who contributed to their own demise.

Catholicism rejects the "us vs them" notion. Meaning that the good can be from any religion and the wicked can be from any religion. So Catholics do accept that fellow Catholics may harm them, whereas atheists can be good to them.

I think it is an inconvenient truth that religious people should accept the fact that they have never been a monolith and they will never be.

 

[Brickjectivity]

On that I do agree.
I think sometimes people like to paint one group (particularly minorities) as just one monolith. Just because it’s convenient.
I see it happening whenever a minority does something awful, the media acts as if that act reflects the entire community that minority happens to belong to.
I find that kind of thinking to be fairly common (though in fairness mostly among the younger kids) and it can lead to some toxic outcomes imo

When it comes to genocide there is a lot of resistance to believing that such things have happened. This true of all genocides to my knowledge, and the holocaust is still denied by many. Holocaust documentaries and films attempt to get the message and the truth of it across, but people still don't want to believe that we are capable of this. Then we don't want to believe most Jews slaughtered in Germany are pacifists. They are slaughtered in Germany both because they are a political obstacle and because they are not a physical threat to Hitler. He knows they will not take up arms and resist, and they never do. Some escape, but many just hope and wait for everyone to wake up, but people don't. Nobody saves them. This is the ultimate insult both to the goal of the Jews and to humanity itself. It is the worst truth, the most unsettling to mothers and fathers and all of us. Germany is a modern, progressive forward thinking society, but this happens there. The Germans invent science fiction. They are the center of world culture, but this happens anyway.

Some also search for excuses for genocides like "The Jews must have provoked it" Excuses R us is a feature of the post holocaust era. Sometimes it takes monumental effort to bring people to the table to even accept that the holocaust has occurred. That is why I say it is trivial if some Jews somewhere in Germany do support Hitler. Its not something I expect to see discussed in most documentaries about the Holocaust or about the war. Its a history book thing. Its not a secret but is a detail along with thousands of other details that are not presented in mass media.

 

[Estro Felino]

When it comes to genocide there is a lot of resistance to believing that such things have happened. This true of all genocides to my knowledge, and the holocaust is still denied by many. Holocaust documentaries and films attempt to get the message and the truth of it across, but people still don't want to believe that we are capable of this. Then we don't want to believe most Jews slaughtered in Germany are pacifists. They are slaughtered in Germany both because they are a political obstacle and because they are not a physical threat to Hitler. He knows they will not take up arms and resist, and they never do. Some escape, but many just hope and wait for everyone to wake up, but people don't. Nobody saves them. This is the ultimate insult both to the goal of the Jews and to humanity itself. It is the worst truth, the most unsettling to mothers and fathers and all of us. Germany is a modern, progressive forward thinking society, but this happens there. The Germans invent science fiction. They are the center of world culture, but this happens anyway.

Some also search for excuses for genocides like "The Jews must have provoked it" Excuses R us is a feature of the post holocaust era. Sometimes it takes monumental effort to bring people to the table to even accept that the holocaust has occurred. That is why I say it is trivial if some Jews somewhere in Germany do support Hitler. Its not something I expect to see discussed in most documentaries about the Holocaust or about the war. Its a history book thing. Its not a secret but is a detail along with thousands of other details that are not presented in mass media.

Denial is something that can be found in any political group.
As I have said before, Holocaust denial is a terrible thing. It's something malicious.
But there are also people who engage in denial about other inconvenient truths, concerning the Nazizeit (the Nazi decade): one is , for example the Haavara agreement, that was a treaty signed by Nazi Germany and the Zionist Movement of Israel, thanks to which many Jews could move to Israel and settle down there, transferring a portion of their assets to the Anglo-Palestine Bank.

Or the fact that the banking dynasty Warburg practically owned the IG Farben, which was at that time, the biggest chemicals firm in the world, and built the largest industrial (petro-chemical) complex in the world: Auschwitz. And the IG Farben did know what kind of slaves they were using as workforce between 1940 and 1945.

There is denial everywhere: I see WW2 just as a horrific war between banking dynasties that wanted to seize the oilfields, the natural resources of all of Europe.

 

[Revoltingest]

My experiences suggest to me that those who delight in proclaiming "but there were bad people on both sides" differ little from those who protest "but there were good people on both sides...

One can't say those things are never true.
There's danger in seeing the other side as
pure evil, eg, Dems vs Pubs.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

One can't say those things are never true.

I believe that I've tried to avoid such generalizations.

 

[Revoltingest]

I believe that I've tried to avoid such generalizations.

Good.
I wasn't clear on that.