Incorruptable Catholic Saints

[Bishka]

I was thinking the same thing.... hate to say it, but I've never been a fan of these things... too much room for fraud and it does VERY LITTLE to add to any Catholics rational faith.

Hey FFH, see this?

 

[athanasius]

Joan Carroll cruz writes a good book about this displaying pictorial and medical evidence m=for many cases in her book called the incorruptibles. In the end its just one more miraculous way that proves the Catholic Church is the true church of Christ and hold true doctrine

See here:

https://www.tanbooks.com/index.php/p...+carroll+cruz/


I hope that helps.

God bless you!

Athanasius

 

[Booko]

I haven't researched the other's on display. Is it possible to preserve a body for 500 years as perfectly as many of these saints appear, clearly displayed for all to see ????

Yes.

That may be so, if you for instance had cancer and then it miraculously disappeared and your life spared...

I've know 2 people who have been "miraculously" cured of incurable Grave's disease.

Of course, the "miracle" was that they went to the alternative medical community, which considers Grave's disease difficult to cure, but not incurable.

Oh and my business partner was "miraculously" cured of Chron's disease. Same sort of situation.

Miracles are very much in the eye of the beholder.

A body that does not decay and still has a normal flesh color, no grey tones, is a miracle.

Fine. And if she had not lead a saintly life, it would be a mere curiousity and of no importance.

 

[madhatter85]

So what about the Buddhist and Hindus that it happened to? Is it a miracle with them as well? Or is it only the Christians that it can be a miracle to? Why only Catholics though? Why couldn't other Christian faiths have something like this? Perhaps if we dug up Joseph Smith he would be like this and it would be proclaimed a miracle and everyone would join our church.

Link here

I have to agree with Booko, on this, that is not a miracle, just science.

And if Joseph Smith's body was not decayed when we dug him up, yeah i would say THAT is a miracle and that everyone should join our church

HA!

 

[FFH]

Joan Carroll cruz writes a good book about this displaying pictorial and medical evidence m=for many cases in her book called the incorruptibles. In the end its just one more miraculous way that proves the Catholic Church is the true church of Christ and hold true doctrine

See here:

https://www.tanbooks.com/index.php/p...+carroll+cruz/


I hope that helps.

God bless you!

Athanasius

Great link thanks a bunch...

 

[FFH]

I am confident enough in my faith to be able to see outside my faith and see the many verifiable miracles in other people's faith.

This is one of those verifiable miracles. There is much much good in all Christian faiths, many many miracles, signs, wonders and prophecies, especially in the Catholic and Evangelical faiths..

I love researching/discovering these faith building miracles and the saints who have brought much good to our planet in ALL Christian faiths.

We are naive, and full of great pride, if we think our particular faith is the only source of revelation, miracles, signs and wonders.

Catholics are special to God as are all other Christian faiths...

The "body of Christ" is varied/diverse and all are important to the body, the feet, hands, eyes, etc..

Can one part of the body function as well without the other ????

All Christian faiths help build my faith in ways the others cannot..

I am secure enough in my particular faith to venture out and see the good in other Christian faiths.

So much good out there we overlook...

 

[FFH]

Are you aware that she's coated in wax? You can't see any of her actual flesh.

Do you have any proof of that or are you just making that up ??? You need to back up what you say otherwise it's nothing but your opinion...

Even if she had some sort of make-up on, her body is completely intact, is this not a miracle ????

What body remains completely intact, without freezing it ???

Show me that body...

This is a special saint of God, Bernadette of Lourdes. France.

Also someone mentioned her clothes, which were replaced, I believe, the old ones having deteriorated..

 

[Azakel]

Do you have any proof of that or are you just making that up ??? You need to back up what you say otherwise it's nothing but your opinion...

Even if she had some sort of make-up on, her body is completely intact, is this not a miracle ????

What body remains completely intact, without freezing it ???

Show me that body...

This is a special saint of God, Bernadette of Lourdes. France.

Also someone mentioned her clothes, which were replaced, I believe, the old ones having deteriorated..

This link my friend says something about it. THE BODY OF SAINT BERNADETTE OF LOURDES

 

[Booko]

What body remains completely intact, without freezing it ???

Mummy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And since this is modern times, irradiation to kill bacteria (like is used on some meats and dairy products) followed by methods to prevent exposure to air and airborne bacteria and mold spores.

FFH, in the absence of bacteria and mold, biomass does not break down.

Ask any composter.


Wiki saith:

In 1925, the church exhumed the body for a third time. They took relics, which were sent to Rome. A precise imprint of the face was molded so that the firm of Pierre Imans in Paris could make a light wax mask based on the imprints and on some genuine photos. This was common practice for relics in France, as it was feared that although the body was mummified, the blackish tinge to the face and the sunken eyes and nose would make an unpleasant impression on the public. Imprints of the hands were also taken for the presentation of the body. The remains were then placed in a gold and glass reliquary in the Chapel of Saint Bernadette at the motherhouse in Nevers. The site is visited by many pilgrims and the body of Saint Bernadette to this day remains incorrupt despite being nearly one hundred and thirty years old.[citation needed]

 

[Booko]

This link my friend says something about it. THE BODY OF SAINT BERNADETTE OF LOURDES

Yes, I saw that site too. It sounds more like natural mummification. The body does not disintegrate, but over longer periods of time it appear less...natural.

 

[Azakel]

Mummy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And since this is modern times, irradiation to kill bacteria (like is used on some meats and dairy products) followed by methods to prevent exposure to air and airborne bacteria and mold spores.

FFH, in the absence of bacteria and mold, biomass does not break down.

Ask any composter.


Wiki saith:

What my link wasn't good:cover:

Joking

 

[Smoke]

Do you have any proof of that or are you just making that up ??? You need to back up what you say otherwise it's nothing but your opinion...

It's a well-known fact that a wax likeness of Bernadette was laid over her relics, and the Catholic Church doesn't pretend otherwise; nobody is trying to fool anybody. If a body doesn't decompose, it still dries out, and the features sink, etc. Here's a pic of the relics of Father John the Romanian, an Orthodox saint who died in 1960, to give you an idea:

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[logician]

Didn't the Egyptians do this first?

 

[FFH]

This link my friend says something about it. THE BODY OF SAINT BERNADETTE OF LOURDES

Wow, great link thanks. Sorry I doubted your claims...

This is obviously something I've never really looked into enough to know all the facts, thanks for setting me straight..

Her body, it seems, was still more intact than it normally would be.

Should we dismiss it as just a body that did not decompose normally for some reason ???

How decomposed was she, before they touched/fixed her up ? Do we have photos of that ?????

 

[Azakel]

Wow, great link thanks. Sorry I doubted your claims...

This is obviously something I've never really looked into enough to know all the facts, thanks for setting me straight..

Her body, it seems, was still more intact than it normally would be.

Should we dismiss it as just a body that did not decompose normally for some reason ???

How decomposed was she, before they touched/fixed her up ? Do we have photos of that ?????

Wasn't my claim but I did here something about it before and I like put knowledge our there when I know something about it.

 

[Booko]

Didn't the Egyptians do this first?

What FFH is talking about is a naturally occuring process, not a manmade one.

Read the Wiki article I linked.

 

[Booko]

Her body, it seems, was still more intact than it normally would be.

Should we dismiss it as just a body that did not decompose normally for some reason ???

How decomposed was she, before they touched/fixed her up ? Do we have photos of that ?????

*sigh* Have you even bothered to read the Wiki article section about natural mummification, FFH?

It's a *natural* process, though clearly pretty rare.

It is more reasonable to assume that St. Bernadette's condition is due to this known and observed natural process than to assume some sort of supernatural intervention.

Why invoke the supernatural when the natural will explain it just fine?

 

[FFH]

*sigh* Have you even bothered to read the Wiki article section about natural mummification, FFH?

It's a *natural* process, though clearly pretty rare.

It is more reasonable to assume that St. Bernadette's condition is due to this known and observed natural process than to assume some sort of supernatural intervention.

Why invoke the supernatural when the natural will explain it just fine?

Fair enough...