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India and Spiritism

Shuddhasattva

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Properly, Vedism is polytheistic animism as a method for attaining monism. This is distilled now in the agamas (and abstractly in sankhya/yoga) where worship of entities representing the partite elements of self and nature coalesce into a single awareness - whether of itself, or of the field.
 
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Properly, Vedism is polytheistic animism as a method for attaining monism. This is distilled now in the agamas (and abstractly in sankhya/yoga) where worship of entities representing the partite elements of self and nature coalesce into a single awareness - whether of itself, or of the field.

Could you expand?

by the field to you mean Chaos, the numinous ?
 

DeviChaaya

Jai Ambe Gauri
Premium Member
It is the official position of Vaishnava Hindus who comprise the majority of Hindus. Official in the sense that Shaiva and Shakta religion are classified by the Vaishnava Puranas as tamasic.

In general I would be right in saying Hinduism has mostly been a more sattvic pure path for self-realization/god-realization through Yoga. In general Hindus are not interested in communing with and invoking spirits.

So because one sect, which has not always been the dominant, likes to go around saying other sects are tamasic that means they are? Sorry, that doesn't work.

Could very well be that Vaishnavas are tamasic, what with the way they say other sects are tamasic.
 

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
Hey, you will not get any argument from me that I find Vaishnavism a rather a stifling and fundamentalist religion(reminds me Christianity) and I don't agree with their doctrines that condemn or undermine other religions and sects and how they justify through their propoganda pamphlets - puranas. Hey, we Advatins constantly get attacked by the Vaishnavas, especially the Madhvas. They attack the Buddhists as demonic people.

That said, I just don't see any evidence for Shiavism and Shaktism i.e. tantra being any older than the early middle ages. I definitely don't see evidence for formalized tantra philosophy and scriptures. I think the evidence seems to show Vaishnavism is much older than Shaivism and is possibly the first Puranic sect to form within Hinduism. In the Vedic age Rudra does not seem to carry much importance, whereas Vishnu indeed does in the later Vedic times.
Hence I tend to see Shiavism and Shaktism as reactionary sects to Vaishnavism. I am open to correction if you can show me solid evidence.

I can sort of see why the Vaishnavas classify the Shaiva and Shakta sects as tamasic I mean come on communing with spirits, animal sacrifices, animism/shamanism, death rituals, ritual intake of wine, meat, ritual sex, fascinating for smearing oneself in ashes. This is certainly not what the Upanishads prescribe. At the same time I would classify Vaishnavism as rajasic, madcap devotional practices to Krishna, Rama, Hanuman, constant singing and dancing like mad people. It's all very woo-woo to me. This also is not what the Upanishads prescribe.

The true sattvic path of Hinduism is Raja yoga, chittashuddhi through meditation, morality, study and other kriyas. This is what the Upanishads prescribe.
 
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Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Hey, we Advatins constantly get attacked by the Vaishnavas, especially the Madhvas. They attack the Buddhists as demonic people.

Nobody is allowed to attack anybody on this forum. If you see someone on here doing that, report them. The purpose of this site is to be a friendly and safe place to debate and discuss. Attacking is not tolerated.

The true sattvic path of Hinduism is Raja yoga, chittashuddhi through meditation, morality, study and other kriyas. This is what the Upanishads prescribe.

Proselytising also is not tolerated. Please be mindful to pose opinions as opinions rather than facts.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Could very well be that Vaishnavas are tamasic, what with the way they say other sects are tamasic.

I think this comes down to individual opinions rather than 'Vaishnavism'. Some Vaishnavas do not have such dogmatic or dualistic views.
 

DeviChaaya

Jai Ambe Gauri
Premium Member
I think this comes down to individual opinions rather than 'Vaishnavism'. Some Vaishnavas do not have such dogmatic or dualistic views.

Hi, Madhuri!

Yes, I agree but unfortunately it is the dogmatic and dualistic types that are often the loudest. I know a lot of Vaishnavas who are non dogmatic. Many of the Hindus at my temple are Vaishnavas with Shakta leanings and you never hear them talking down about other sects and beliefs.

There's probably even a few there who follow folk Shaktism!
 
Is it all devotees of Kali who commune with spirits?
the skulls are representative ? is this a constant ?

This is just my opinion but I think it bodes some degree of truth
Monotheistic prayer and faith requires that the High God (see, Mircea Eliade) hear one's petition.

In shamanism, it is only required that a spirit of countless numbers is present. and whoever that spirit is, will be, especially from a novice perspective, your first channel into soul transformation and purification. irregardless of that spirit's personality or wishes for you. Besides the chief goal of communing with this found spirit, the other goal is to draw the power of additional spirits. Through a growing familiarity to spirits and reciprocating sympathies, the devotee acquires more and more power and cognizance, such that, they then could be heard by higher spirits.

Shamanism then,
begins through the ENSTATIC
entreating the descent of a spirit(s)

the experienced shaman,
grows proficient with the ECSTATIC
rising to meet higher deities
 
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Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Is it all devotees of Kali who commune with spirits?
the skulls are representative ? is this a constant ?

I worship Kali, but I don't commune with spirits. So, not all of us.

The skulls represent knowledge: specifically, the 52 letters of the Sanskrit alphabet. Properly depicted, there is one skull per letter.
 
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