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Inflation and the Election

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Throughout the election, the complaint I saw most was about inflation, which in the U.S. got up to about 9%, and lasted less than 2 years.

I guess people only know what they've experienced themselves, and nothing like that has happened for quite a long time, except for a couple of very short-lived spikes. But for those of us who are older, we remember inflation -- inflation that we got through -- that was miles beyond what the U.S. experienced after the pandemic.

In the 70s and 80s, there were two distinct inflation episodes that led to double-digit price increases in Canada. One from 1971 to 1976 and another from 1977 to 1983. In both cases, food and energy price shocks were the trigger. In the first episode, adverse weather in 1973 caused food prices to jump 18.4%. And following the Yom Kippur war in that same year, a quadrupling in the world price of oil caused a massive rise in gasoline prices. By December 1974, with Canadian inflation hitting a peak of 12.7%, the economy entered recession.

The second inflationary spike was an echo of the first. In 1978, meat prices skyrocketed by 70%, causing the overall food index to rise by 20.2%. Then the Iranian Revolution caused the 1979 Oil Crisis, which was followed by the Iran-Iraq war of 1980. This resulted in another doubling in the price of oil. Canadian gasoline prices ended up rising by 45.5% in 1981, which pushed Canadian CPI to an all-time high of 12.9%.

You have to understand, I was an employed adult during all of that period, and trust me on this, while it was unpleasant, we got through it. Yes, we grumbled, but we didn't have the kind of hysteria that the U.S. had over the past couple of years. Again, in fact, Canada had inflation the same as the U.S. since 2021, but we simply didn't get into the same panic as the U.S. did. Perhaps the fact that we have better social supports explains part of that, but I honestly think that a lot of people in the U.S. really did over-react.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Again, in fact, Canada had inflation the same as the U.S. since 2021, but we simply didn't get into the same panic as the U.S. did. Perhaps the fact that we have better social supports explains part of that, but I honestly think that a lot of people in the U.S. really did over-react.
I think you hit the target here. Well done.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Throughout the election, the complaint I saw most was about inflation, which in the U.S. got up to about 9%, and lasted less than 2 years.

I guess people only know what they've experienced themselves, and nothing like that has happened for quite a long time, except for a couple of very short-lived spikes. But for those of us who are older, we remember inflation -- inflation that we got through -- that was miles beyond what the U.S. experienced after the pandemic.

In the 70s and 80s, there were two distinct inflation episodes that led to double-digit price increases in Canada. One from 1971 to 1976 and another from 1977 to 1983. In both cases, food and energy price shocks were the trigger. In the first episode, adverse weather in 1973 caused food prices to jump 18.4%. And following the Yom Kippur war in that same year, a quadrupling in the world price of oil caused a massive rise in gasoline prices. By December 1974, with Canadian inflation hitting a peak of 12.7%, the economy entered recession.

The second inflationary spike was an echo of the first. In 1978, meat prices skyrocketed by 70%, causing the overall food index to rise by 20.2%. Then the Iranian Revolution caused the 1979 Oil Crisis, which was followed by the Iran-Iraq war of 1980. This resulted in another doubling in the price of oil. Canadian gasoline prices ended up rising by 45.5% in 1981, which pushed Canadian CPI to an all-time high of 12.9%.

You have to understand, I was an employed adult during all of that period, and trust me on this, while it was unpleasant, we got through it. Yes, we grumbled, but we didn't have the kind of hysteria that the U.S. had over the past couple of years. Again, in fact, Canada had inflation the same as the U.S. since 2021, but we simply didn't get into the same panic as the U.S. did. Perhaps the fact that we have better social supports explains part of that, but I honestly think that a lot of people in the U.S. really did over-react.
Inflation was actually not bad from 2020 to 2024.
And wages increased faster than inflation in recent years.
And unemployment dropped significantly from 2020 - 2024.

Setting aside the issue of how much influence a President
has on those statistics, things look better under Biden than
they were under Trump. But statistics don't matter to voters,
whose perception is determined mostly by what their tribe's
leader instills.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Throughout the election, the complaint I saw most was about inflation, which in the U.S. got up to about 9%, and lasted less than 2 years.

I guess people only know what they've experienced themselves, and nothing like that has happened for quite a long time, except for a couple of very short-lived spikes. But for those of us who are older, we remember inflation -- inflation that we got through -- that was miles beyond what the U.S. experienced after the pandemic.

In the 70s and 80s, there were two distinct inflation episodes that led to double-digit price increases in Canada. One from 1971 to 1976 and another from 1977 to 1983. In both cases, food and energy price shocks were the trigger. In the first episode, adverse weather in 1973 caused food prices to jump 18.4%. And following the Yom Kippur war in that same year, a quadrupling in the world price of oil caused a massive rise in gasoline prices. By December 1974, with Canadian inflation hitting a peak of 12.7%, the economy entered recession.

The second inflationary spike was an echo of the first. In 1978, meat prices skyrocketed by 70%, causing the overall food index to rise by 20.2%. Then the Iranian Revolution caused the 1979 Oil Crisis, which was followed by the Iran-Iraq war of 1980. This resulted in another doubling in the price of oil. Canadian gasoline prices ended up rising by 45.5% in 1981, which pushed Canadian CPI to an all-time high of 12.9%.

You have to understand, I was an employed adult during all of that period, and trust me on this, while it was unpleasant, we got through it. Yes, we grumbled, but we didn't have the kind of hysteria that the U.S. had over the past couple of years. Again, in fact, Canada had inflation the same as the U.S. since 2021, but we simply didn't get into the same panic as the U.S. did. Perhaps the fact that we have better social supports explains part of that, but I honestly think that a lot of people in the U.S. really did over-react.
No the US didn't overreact in fact people are spot on with today's hardships and inability to even afford the basics.

Canada always did have monetary issues particularly the US dollar versus the Canadian dollar and I was alive during that period as well although granted I was a child aging into a teen during that time.
 

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
Throughout the election, the complaint I saw most was about inflation, which in the U.S. got up to about 9%, and lasted less than 2 years.

I guess people only know what they've experienced themselves, and nothing like that has happened for quite a long time, except for a couple of very short-lived spikes. But for those of us who are older, we remember inflation -- inflation that we got through -- that was miles beyond what the U.S. experienced after the pandemic.

In the 70s and 80s, there were two distinct inflation episodes that led to double-digit price increases in Canada. One from 1971 to 1976 and another from 1977 to 1983. In both cases, food and energy price shocks were the trigger. In the first episode, adverse weather in 1973 caused food prices to jump 18.4%. And following the Yom Kippur war in that same year, a quadrupling in the world price of oil caused a massive rise in gasoline prices. By December 1974, with Canadian inflation hitting a peak of 12.7%, the economy entered recession.

The second inflationary spike was an echo of the first. In 1978, meat prices skyrocketed by 70%, causing the overall food index to rise by 20.2%. Then the Iranian Revolution caused the 1979 Oil Crisis, which was followed by the Iran-Iraq war of 1980. This resulted in another doubling in the price of oil. Canadian gasoline prices ended up rising by 45.5% in 1981, which pushed Canadian CPI to an all-time high of 12.9%.

You have to understand, I was an employed adult during all of that period, and trust me on this, while it was unpleasant, we got through it. Yes, we grumbled, but we didn't have the kind of hysteria that the U.S. had over the past couple of years. Again, in fact, Canada had inflation the same as the U.S. since 2021, but we simply didn't get into the same panic as the U.S. did. Perhaps the fact that we have better social supports explains part of that, but I honestly think that a lot of people in the U.S. really did over-react.

With all do respect, you are out of touch. Here in rural PA, your average, blue collar working stiff has seen a huge increase in rent, food, gas, and financing.

You are right that the US emerged from Covid/inflation rather well, but if you can't support your family all of that means nothing. That is why so many people voted for Trump. They are desperate and (naively) believed that Trump can ease their pain - when in fact his proposed tariffs will only hurt them more.

So many people voted against their own self interest.

Sad
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Throughout the election, the complaint I saw most was about inflation, which in the U.S. got up to about 9%, and lasted less than 2 years.

I guess people only know what they've experienced themselves, and nothing like that has happened for quite a long time, except for a couple of very short-lived spikes. But for those of us who are older, we remember inflation -- inflation that we got through -- that was miles beyond what the U.S. experienced after the pandemic.

In the 70s and 80s, there were two distinct inflation episodes that led to double-digit price increases in Canada. One from 1971 to 1976 and another from 1977 to 1983. In both cases, food and energy price shocks were the trigger. In the first episode, adverse weather in 1973 caused food prices to jump 18.4%. And following the Yom Kippur war in that same year, a quadrupling in the world price of oil caused a massive rise in gasoline prices. By December 1974, with Canadian inflation hitting a peak of 12.7%, the economy entered recession.

The second inflationary spike was an echo of the first. In 1978, meat prices skyrocketed by 70%, causing the overall food index to rise by 20.2%. Then the Iranian Revolution caused the 1979 Oil Crisis, which was followed by the Iran-Iraq war of 1980. This resulted in another doubling in the price of oil. Canadian gasoline prices ended up rising by 45.5% in 1981, which pushed Canadian CPI to an all-time high of 12.9%.

You have to understand, I was an employed adult during all of that period, and trust me on this, while it was unpleasant, we got through it. Yes, we grumbled, but we didn't have the kind of hysteria that the U.S. had over the past couple of years. Again, in fact, Canada had inflation the same as the U.S. since 2021, but we simply didn't get into the same panic as the U.S. did. Perhaps the fact that we have better social supports explains part of that, but I honestly think that a lot of people in the U.S. really did over-react.
I believe that to relegate the vote simply to inflation is too simplistic.

Of course people adjust but it doesn’t mean it isn’t a problem and certainly doesn’t justify the acceptance of it. It was governmentally induced and hurt the lower and middle class
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I trust the collective wisdom of the people for understanding things just fine and that they made their opinions clear last Tuesday at the ballot box.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
It was an election of the low-information voter. And Dems didn't turn-out the vote.

Far too many voters blamed Biden for inflation and higher prices, when it wasn't his fault at all.
If Trump won in 2020, the same inflation and higher prices would have happened. It didn't matter who the president was.

It seemed that this election was based on falsehoods and people who have zero interest in learning the truth

Feelings over facts. The next 4 years will be a real test for America. They voted for chaos
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
All I can tell you is this:

I was a college student during that time and didn't notice a thing. Maybe my parents sheltered me, I have no idea, but I did move out and didn't notice food prices going crazy. I moved out around 1981.

You know what I HAVE noticed lately though? EVERYTHING has gone up at least 20 percent, except my income. Interesting. I used to think I had plenty of money and now I am not so sure. I am retired.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
With all do respect, you are out of touch. Here in rural PA, your average, blue collar working stiff has seen a huge increase in rent, food, gas, and financing.

You are right that the US emerged from Covid/inflation rather well, but if you can't support your family all of that means nothing. That is why so many people voted for Trump. They are desperate and (naively) believed that Trump can ease their pain - when in fact his proposed tariffs will only hurt them more.

So many people voted against their own self interest.

Sad
Well then, you'll be happy that since he won, he no longer even says the word "tariffs."
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
All I can tell you is this:

I was a college student during that time and didn't notice a thing. Maybe my parents sheltered me, I have no idea, but I did move out and didn't notice food prices going crazy. I moved out around 1981.

You know what I HAVE noticed lately though? EVERYTHING has gone up at least 20 percent, except my income. Interesting. I used to think I had plenty of money and now I am not so sure. I am retired.
Did you check your portfolio? If you are retired your money should be safely invested. The growth of the S & P 500 was far greater than 20%:

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Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Did you check your portfolio? If you are retired your money should be safely invested. The growth of the S & P 500 was far greater than 20%:

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That's good to know. Hope it holds together since those funds are not protected like funds in a bank. I'm wondering what the Dow Jones did. Oh not as well. Oh well.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Far too many voters blamed Biden for inflation and higher prices, when it wasn't his fault at all.
If Trump won in 2020, the same inflation and higher prices would have happened. It didn't matter who the president was.
Yet, Trump will take credit for "solving" it, despite it already going down, as long as he doesn't do anything that screws it up :D
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Throughout the election, the complaint I saw most was about inflation, which in the U.S. got up to about 9%, and lasted less than 2 years.

I guess people only know what they've experienced themselves, and nothing like that has happened for quite a long time, except for a couple of very short-lived spikes. But for those of us who are older, we remember inflation -- inflation that we got through -- that was miles beyond what the U.S. experienced after the pandemic.

In the 70s and 80s, there were two distinct inflation episodes that led to double-digit price increases in Canada. One from 1971 to 1976 and another from 1977 to 1983. In both cases, food and energy price shocks were the trigger. In the first episode, adverse weather in 1973 caused food prices to jump 18.4%. And following the Yom Kippur war in that same year, a quadrupling in the world price of oil caused a massive rise in gasoline prices. By December 1974, with Canadian inflation hitting a peak of 12.7%, the economy entered recession.

The second inflationary spike was an echo of the first. In 1978, meat prices skyrocketed by 70%, causing the overall food index to rise by 20.2%. Then the Iranian Revolution caused the 1979 Oil Crisis, which was followed by the Iran-Iraq war of 1980. This resulted in another doubling in the price of oil. Canadian gasoline prices ended up rising by 45.5% in 1981, which pushed Canadian CPI to an all-time high of 12.9%.

You have to understand, I was an employed adult during all of that period, and trust me on this, while it was unpleasant, we got through it. Yes, we grumbled, but we didn't have the kind of hysteria that the U.S. had over the past couple of years. Again, in fact, Canada had inflation the same as the U.S. since 2021, but we simply didn't get into the same panic as the U.S. did. Perhaps the fact that we have better social supports explains part of that, but I honestly think that a lot of people in the U.S. really did over-react.
The recent inflation was felt all over the world, not just in the US and Canada. Blaming it all on the current US president is absurd. As a matter of fact, by most economic indicators, the US economy under Biden is the strongest we've had since the '60s.

But eggs and gasoline are still expensive, and this must be due to gross mismanagement by Biden's Democratic administration.
Someone must be blamed, and the President is convenient. :rolleyes:
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
It was an election of the low-information voter. And Dems didn't turn-out the vote.

Far too many voters blamed Biden for inflation and higher prices, when it wasn't his fault at all.
If Trump won in 2020, the same inflation and higher prices would have happened. It didn't matter who the president was.

It seemed that this election was based on falsehoods and people who have zero interest in learning the truth

Feelings over facts. The next 4 years will be a real test for America. They voted for chaos
I’m stunned how many voters are victimized by disinformation. We see it among some RF members, and they repeat false information without any intention of correcting their errors. The lack of critical thinking skills, and the indifference to truth, is why Trump won. He was the inferior candidate by a longshot and it didn’t matter.

Whatever the consequences of Trump’s term I hope they understand they are responsible.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
The recent inflation was felt all over the world, not just in the US and Canada. Blaming it all on the current US president is absurd. As a matter of fact, by most economic indicators, the US economy under Biden is the strongest we've had since the '60s.

But eggs and gasoline are still expensive, and this must be due to gross mismanagement by Biden's Democratic administration.
Someone must be blamed, and the President is convenient. :rolleyes:
Eggs are between 2 and 3 bucks. And gas has been falling for months. It’s at $2.59 where I live. That’s pretty damn good. But most voters don’t consider data or facts. They are emotional and act like feral animals.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That's good to know. Hope it holds together since those funds are not protected like funds in a bank. I'm wondering what the Dow Jones did. Oh not as well. Oh well.
The Dow Jones went from 30,000 to 40,000 under Biden. Still a lot more than 20%.

And remember, Trump inherited a booming economy from Obama. The recovery from recession started under him and kept going all 8 years. Biden inherited a very troubled economy from Trump, and the inflation was largely due to actions that both Trump and Biden had to take due to the pandemic. If you are going to blame Biden for inflation you need to give equal blame to Trump.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I’m stunned how many voters are victimized by disinformation. We see it among some RF members, and they repeat false information without any intention of correcting their errors.
I think you are wrong about one thing: nobody is "victimized by disinformation." Their wounds are self-inflicted, because they won't make the effort to really inform themselves -- and all the resources they need are readily available. And free.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
The Dow Jones went from 30,000 to 40,000 under Biden. Still a lot more than 20%.

And remember, Trump inherited a booming economy from Obama. The recovery from recession started under him and kept going all 8 years. Biden inherited a very troubled economy from Trump, and the inflation was largely due to actions that both Trump and Biden had to take due to the pandemic. If you are going to blame Biden for inflation you need to give equal blame to Trump.
Oh there's plenty of blame to go around. Here's the deal: For some weird reason, EVERYTHING is WAY more expensive than it used to be. I mean, I think that's odd. But there it is.

I used to have a lot of money and now I just have an average amount of money. At least I am not poor - yet.
 
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