Infometrics. Is DNA a code?

[Thermos aquaticus]

You aren't seeing it very clearly, with respect. Information isn't required for a response to a physical law. A rock doesn't need information to fall as a result of gravity, nor does the earth need information to produce gravity.

Why not? Even quantum particles are said to have information:

"Information has a well-defined meaning in physics. In 2003 J. D. Bekenstein claimed that a growing trend in physics was to define the physical world as being made up of information itself (and thus information is defined in this way) (see Digital physics). Examples of this include the phenomenon of quantum entanglement, where particles can interact without reference to their separation or the speed of light. Material information itself cannot travel faster than light even if that information is transmitted indirectly. This could lead to all attempts at physically observing a particle with an "entangled" relationship to another being slowed down, even though the particles are not connected in any other way other than by the information they carry."
Information - Wikipedia

There is no physical law that exists that compels non living matter to become living matter.

There is no physical law that compels a solar system to have a planet exactly like Mars, and yet Mars is entirely consistent with being produced by physical laws. You might as well ask where the information came from to form Mars from a cloud of interstellar dust. It is the same information that drives all of physics, chemistry, and biology.

DNA controls the response of whatever in the cell when the response could be different in one or more ways and the response has very specific effects, the proper operation and life of the cell.

Like what? Please give a specific example.

DNA is composed of complex chains of this information, which has been identified as specific, encoded, instruction.

All molecules are chains of information.

The information controls the cell by controlling specific chemical reactions at the right time and the right place so it will survive, function properly, and reproduce.

Examples?

No number of random chemical reactions can produce a surviving life form without the specific, pre established , disciplined, operational information.

That's strange. I have been doing biochemistry for 22 years and a random model is exactly what we use for the interaction of molecules in biology. DNA primers don't have homing beacons that they use to find their complementary sequence during PCR. Complementary DNA sequences random run into each other, and if their sequences line up through hydrogen bonding then they stick together. Biology runs entirely on random interactions of molecules.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Perhaps it might help to focus on RNA transcription. This is where an enzyme binds to a section of DNA and copies that DNA into RNA. It sort of looks like this:

The protein RNA polymerase binds to specific sequences of DNA because those sequences match the binding pocket in the RNA polymerase. Once RNA polymerase binds and takes and active conformational shape it starts making an RNA molecule. It does so by allowing an RNA base to bind to it's complementary DNA base. The complementary bases are determined by the number of hydrogen bonds where G and C have 3 hydrogen bonds available and A and T/U have 2 hydrogen bonds. DNA is passive in this whole process.

So how is DNA in control of this process, or is it? Is it actually RNA polymerase that is in control? How do you determine this? Is the information in this process simply the hydrogen bonds that allow bases to stick to one another?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Sometimes when studying about DNA and the amazing way it works, I often wondered about how the coding process came about where everything fell into place resulting in a complex organism.

There is a lot of debate involving intelligent design for which DNA code can be read and deciphered into tangible working systems that integrate and create even more complex systems.

There's also plenty of supporting evidence demonstrating how the role of chance plays into DNA and its coding and deciphering mechanisms.

One of the more interesting articles I've read I would like to share here....

Is DNA a Code?


So what do you think? Is DNA a code?

Yes, I think it's the closest thing to a dead-givaway that ID was involved in it's creation

DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.

The machine code of the genes is uncannily computerlike. Apart from differences in jargon, the pages of a molecular-biology journal might be interchanged with those of a computer-engineering journal.

 

[Yokefellow]

John 1:14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth"

Words being made flesh was foretold thousands of years before the discovery of DNA. How is this possible?

On top of that, DNA is a Book...

Psalms 139:16
"Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them"

Whose Book?

 

[Subduction Zone]

John 1:14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth"

Words being made flesh was foretold thousands of years before the discovery of DNA. How is this possible?

On top of that, DNA is a Book...

Psalms 139:16
"Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them"

Whose Book?

You do realize that what you are doing is rather blasphemous to say the least. Don't you?

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

Can I bring time-travel into the equation?
If scientists ever succeed in being able to go back and forward through time,
Then we possibly have a candidate for the intelligent designer:-
The scientists go back in time and bring the man-made ‘original cell’ from which all life evolved, and plant it in the lifeless earth 3 billion years ago.
So the tree of life begins.
7 billion years later, the tree of life creates a group of scientists who work out how to Travel back in time, And so the tree comes into existence.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

So what do you think? Is DNA a code?

DNA is an extension of the code found in all matter. For example, carbon has the code 1s2 2s2 2px1 2py1. You can learn more about the code here:

https://www.chemguide.co.uk/basicorg/bonding/orbitals.html

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

You aren't seeing it very clearly, with respect. Information isn't required for a response to a physical law. A rock doesn't need information to fall as a result of gravity, nor does the earth need information to produce gravity.

Sure it does.

"In physics, physical information refers generally to the information that is contained in a physical system. Its usage in quantum mechanics (i.e., quantum information) is important, for example in the concept of quantum entanglement to describe effectively direct or causal relationships between apparently distinct or spatially separated particles."
Physical information - Wikipedia

The physical information in the rock is required as part of the system, and it governs how that rock will behave in the system.

There is no physical law that exists that compels non living matter to become living matter. There is no physical law that compels life from a non living source to reproduce, nourish itself, respond to the environment, etc., etc., etc. at the moment of it's creation. Without any of these but reproduction, it couldn;'t exist at the moment of it's creation.

There is obviously no natural law that prevents non living matter in becoming living matter, as is confirmed very time you eat food.

No number of random chemical reactions can produce a surviving life form without the specific, pre established , disciplined, operational information.

Where is the evidence for this claim?

 

[Polymath257]

DNA is an extension of the code found in all matter. For example, carbon has the code 1s2 2s2 2px1 2py1. You can learn more about the code here:

electronic structure and atomic orbitals

Don't forget the likelihood of hybridization of orbitals with those from other atoms. The s and p orbitals are then a very poor descriptor with sigma and pi orbitals preferred.