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Institutional Racism

Write a nice letter to the police detailing your intent to kill Hillary Clinton then. Just words on a page. Just a noun. Nothing real.

"It's just a noun officers. How can you threaten the life of a noun? I demand my freedom!"

Again, this is not the same thing, writing a letter to the police with an intent to kill an individual, is not the same as having a slight bias towards a name.

While familiarity with a word might have a small positive effect, it is far less influential than the range of connotations, stereotypes and associated emotions that derive from exposure to a word. People create meaning via a complex system of perceptions, knowledge and experiences.

Yes of course they do, thats exactly why the black lives matter movement is creating racism not fighting it.

An example, people are very familiar with the names Osama and Muhammad, so should these attract more attention than a less common 'white' name like Bartholomew? Correct?

What about an Adolf? With such a well known name his phone should be ringing off the hook!

Having lack of a positive association with a word, that is more associated with an ethnicity does not immediately mean you have a prejudice towards a race, and doesn't mean you have a negative association with that race or word. Why would a person with the name Adolf have their phone ringing off the hook, if the name Adolf has an immediate association with Adolf Hitler?
 
And @Lyndon's comment reflected that. He said you couldn't see any racism - which is rather obvious if you don't believe there's evidence for it.

Again, jumping to false conclusions. I didn't say racism doesn't exist. I said where is the evidence for institutional racism? Isolated incidences of racism is not evidence of institutional racism.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
I didn't say racism doesn't exist.

And Lyndon did not say you did He said you didn't see there being any institutional racism.

If someone isn't seeing racism anywhere they look is a sure sign they are racist themselves.

My emphasis. Moving along.


I said where is the evidence for institutional racism? Isolated incidences of racism is not evidence of institutional racism.

Here's a Reddit submission with links to various forms of official collated data.

https://www.reddit.com/r/path%3D%252Fr%252Fsocialism%252Fcomments%252F52rhj7%252F
 
Again, this is not the same thing, writing a letter to the police with an intent to kill an individual, is not the same as having a slight bias towards a name.

*bias towards the ethnicity of the person represented by the name

A name is 'just a noun' when it suits you, and other times it's an actual person.

Yes of course they do, thats exactly why the black lives matter movement is creating racism not fighting it.

"I tells ya, they forced me to be racist."

Why would a person with the name Adolf have their phone ringing off the hook, if the name Adolf has an immediate association with Adolf Hitler?

Your argument was that it wasn't prejudice against an ethnicity, but simple preference for familiar names that explained the difference. Adolf and Osama should do well with their well known names if we use your 'logic'.

Having lack of a positive association with a word, that is more associated with an ethnicity does not immediately mean you have a prejudice towards a race, and doesn't mean you have a negative association with that race or word.

No, but acting in a prejudicial way towards them certainly does. Studies showed that a less impressive 'white' CV was more successful than a superior 'black' CV. That's pretty much the textbook definition of racism

As you acknowledge with Adolf, the name has negative connotations. Seems many people also see negative connotations in 'black' names, possibly subconsciously. We all hold prejudices we are not fully aware of because we are not rational creatures.

The aggregate of these prejudices within some organisations may be considered institutional racism.

If anyone can provide tangible evidence of institutional racism, I will happily admit that there is an intrinsic problem, and support the movement.

As your mental gymnastics show, your cognitive dissonance would never allow this.

You made your mind up long ago, and just wanted to whine about BLM.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It seems like this nebulous phrase has just come out of no where, and made a prodigious impact on the international stage in the last few years.

The term "institutional racism" has been around for about 50 years, Jamie. It's a well researched, well established phenomenon with solid science and scholarship backing it up. If you have not heard about it until very recently, or studied it before now, then perhaps you should consider suing your middle school, high school. and university for malpractice in educating you.

Fortunately, Google is your friend and you can educate yourself -- if you're inclined to do something positive about your ignorance of the topic.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Many have looked, that's why they can't produce any evidence to suggest it exists. The west clearly has the lowest levels of racism and bigotry in the world, thats why we're the most multiculturally diverse regions on the planet.
So that's a positive then?
The West DOES have levels of racism and bigotry?
You're too easy!
And the many that 'looked' and did not find were wearing blinkers! :p

Is this an actual argument? There isn't a Jamaican Rastafarian at the golf club so there must be institutional racism? If this isn't what you're suggesting please write more coherently.
Trust me when I tell you that your institutions as well as ours can be highly EXCLUSIVE...... have you ever heard of the word? Did ypou know what it means?
DICTIONARY! :p

All lives matter, including Blacks.
I knew that you couldn't just write it...... straight. :p
BLACK LIVES DO MATTER

I have chosen an example from my country, but believe me when I say that your country is full of it!

Met chief admits institutional racism claims have 'some justification ...
https://www.theguardian.com/.../met-chief-admits-institutional-racism-claims-have-some-justification
5 Jun 2015 ... Britain's most senior police officer has said there is some justification to
allegations that the Metropolitan police is institutionally racist, despite ...
Met police officers could face sack after black firefighter was Tasered ...
https://www.theguardian.com/.../met-police-officers-disciplinary-panel-black-firefighter-tasered
18 Jul 2016 ... Three Metropolitan police officers face disciplinary proceedings that .... Met chief
admits institutional racism claims have 'some justification'.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
"Institutional racism is a pattern of social institutions — such as governmental organizations, schools, banks, and courts of law — giving negative treatment to a group of people based on their race. Institutional racism leads to inequality; sociologists use the concept to explain why some people face unequal treatment or occupy unequal statuses. One historic example of institutional racism is the barring of African-American students from attending certain public schools, which limited the students' educational opportunities and helped prevent them from achieving a status equal to that of others. Institutional racism need not involve intentional racial discrimination. For example, individual judges might intend to impose similar sentences for similar crimes; yet if Caucasian people tend to receive lighter punishments, plausibly institutional racism occurs."

http://www.chegg.com/homework-help/definitions/institutional-racism-49

You're welcome. :rolleyes:
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
"Institutional racism is a pattern of social institutions — such as governmental organizations, schools, banks, and courts of law — giving negative treatment to a group of people based on their race.

To me, this is the main definition. Institutions with policies that are specifically racist. It doesn't have to be the government, "redlining" was essentially a collusion between banks and realtors to maintain residential segregation.
It isn't an either/or thing . Sometimes laws, like voter restrictions, simply get enforced on black people and not white.
But to me, the point to the term is racist policies sanctioned by an institution, as opposed to individuals. Even when the individuals have clout within an institution. If a hiring manager or cop or someone like that is racist, they might represent an institution, but it isn't institutional racism.
By that standard, I don't see much institutional racism in the USA any more. It's illegal under virtually all circumstances and there are multitudes looking for it to denounce and end it.
Tom
 
None of this is evidence of institutional racism, it's 'suggested' or someone who clearly hates police officers opinion. Find me a video which shows a law being discussed which is intrinsically racist and I'll agree. Find me a policy or video of a majority of police forces who are unambiguously racist in intent and I'll agree, don't give me someone else's opinion and expect me to agree. An individual statement of a director or the captain of a single police force saying they're racist or racism exists, or a crime committed by some of their police officers might have 'some justification' as being explained by institutional racism in their establishment, is not evidence of institutional racism across the spectrum.

None of you have said or provided anything which is more than just 'suggestive' of institutional racism as by the definition I gave of it at the start. This is not hard evidence of it. I'm not obliged to make a credulous conclusion based on speculation, and a misunderstanding of cause and effect.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
None of this is evidence of institutional racism, it's 'suggested' or someone who clearly hates police officers opinion. Find me a video which shows a law being discussed which is intrinsically racist and I'll agree. Find me a policy or video of a majority of police forces who are unambiguously racist in intent and I'll agree, don't give me someone else's opinion and expect me to agree. An individual statement of a director or the captain of a single police force saying they're racist or racism exists, or a crime committed by some of their police officers might have 'some justification' as being explained by institutional racism in their establishment, is not evidence of institutional racism across the spectrum.

None of you have said or provided anything which is more than just 'suggestive' of institutional racism as by the definition I gave of it at the start. This is not hard evidence of it. I'm not obliged to make a credulous conclusion based on speculation, and a misunderstanding of cause and effect.


I told you Google was your friend, but I must now take it you're determined to remain ignorant on the topic. Well done, Jamie, well done.
 
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