Intellectual Defense of Christianity.

[Jordan Kurecki]

I recently wrote a defense of Christianity:

https://docs.google.com/a/fairhaven...wbGqiGbrga258uCyIBX68JaCzuuE/edit?usp=sharing

I welcome comments and questions.

it starts off slow, the more intellectual stuff picks up in the middle.

Please read the whole thing if you begin to read a lot of it builds on itself.

 

[Sees]

If you wrote it, can you post it here for us?

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

If you wrote it, can you post it here for us?

It's probably too long for this place and It would take me quite a while to format it.

I tried to put it in the original post, it was EXTREMELY too long.

 

[Sees]

It's probably too long for this place and It would take me quite a while to format it.

OK, the link isn't working for me. Not sure if people need to be logged on to a Facebook account or what.

 

[sojourner]

Link expired.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Alright let me see what I can do to get this up somewhere else.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Hold on I have to fix this document.

It will be up shortly

 

[Iti oj]

Can you give a summary?

 

[Iti oj]

Link worked for me but I'm not reading 15 pages. Is this your work or someone else's?

 

[Iti oj]

It won't let me read least chapter 1 with out fling an app.

 

[Estro Felino]

I took a look.
Honestly...I can never agree with a Protestant...because I believe in freewill and I am sincerely tired of debating with those who believe in God's grace.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

https://docs.google.com/a/fairhaven...wbGqiGbrga258uCyIBX68JaCzuuE/edit?usp=sharing

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

I took a look.
Honestly...I can never agree with a Protestant...because I believe in freewill and I am sincerely tired of debating with those who believe in God's grace.

I believe in free will and God's grace.

There is a middle position between Arminianism and Calvinism

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

https://docs.google.com/a/fairhaven...wbGqiGbrga258uCyIBX68JaCzuuE/edit?usp=sharing

use this link, it is a much better and more formatted document, and for the one who asked, yes this is my work.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I requested permission to view it nbarnes.phd ...

 

[Estro Felino]

I believe in free will and God's grace.

There is a middle position between Arminianism and Calvinism

You mean between Pelagianism and Augustianism?
Well...we Pelagians are radical. We accept salvation by works alone. So we believe that Atheists will be saved and will gain their salvation through their works.

I don't believe in God's grace. I believe in God's forgiveness for those who repent. Because repentance is an act of freedom.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

I have now made the doc available for all to view.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

You mean between Pelagianism and Augustianism?
Well...we Pelagians are radical. We accept salvation by works alone. So we believe that Atheists will be saved and will gain their salvation through their works.

I don't believe in God's grace. I believe in God's forgiveness for those who repent. Because repentance is an act of freedom.

Will you please read my paper?

in it I deal with the requirements for salvation and what repentance is, you have a skewed view of repentance.

Repentance is not the same thing as Pennace.

You are absolutely right that God gives forgiveness to people who repent though.

Please read my paper my friend, It deals with a lot of your statements.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

I took a look.
Honestly...I can never agree with a Protestant...because I believe in freewill and I am sincerely tired of debating with those who believe in God's grace.

Also Baptists are not protestant, there have always been groups with Baptistic Doctrine before the Protestant Reformation in the 1600s.

Let me name a few groups :Waldenses,Albigenses, Paulicians.

The idea of a universal or "Catholic" church was first introduced by Iraneus in around 187 AD I believe, the Catholic Church as it is today started in 330 AD when Emperor Constantine merged the Roman Government with the state church, hence where you get the yoking of state and church, there have ALWAYS been groups that have been against this. The church at Jerusalem was not connected to the government and they were separated. Catholics have persecuted and murdered people well who rejected the state church concept and infant baptism WAY before the protestant reformation. Baptists are the truth Christians, even non Baptist Historians aknowledge that the Baptists have been around since antiquity I know one of them is the Lutheran Historian Mosheim. I know there are about 3 or 4 others who do the same, one is even a Catholic, if you are interested in the others I can get those to you if you wish.

 

[outhouse]

I have now made the doc available for all to view.

To me, it was all apologetic nonsense. A lot of religious word salad and quote mining out of context.

With complete ignorance of any true historical facts.


Can you tell me why Israelites factually evolved from displaced Canaanites?

Can you tell me why Abraham has no historicity as existing as a person?

Can you tell me why Moses does not exist as a historical person, and the Exodus never happened?

Nor Noah, nor adam/eve


Can you tell me why monotheism was not born in this tradition until after 622 BC?


TO save yourself from further embarrassment, I would suggest you have this moved to the same faith section where you can proselytize this to your hearts content.