Intelligence Vs. Religion?

[LuisDantas]

When one truely sees God as the creator, reason is turned ON.

God created the laws, by certain laws lightning happens. Thus, God created lightning. Lightning is a part of design.

Theres more evidence for God then the alternative explanations.

God is actually not an explanation at all, regardless of whether there is any.

An explanation is supposed to have explanatory power. Proposing it should have some form of useful consequence. It should help in predicting phenomena, their circunstances, their properties.

You are of course free to propose a divine will behind existence, but that does not ultimately explain anything. It is just an aesthetical preference with no discernible or detectable consequence beyond your own psychological mindset.

 

[questfortruth]

God is actually not an explanation at all, regardless of whether there is any.

An explanation is supposed to have explanatory power. Proposing it should have some form of useful consequence. It should help in predicting phenomena, their circunstances, their properties.

You are of course free to propose a divine will behind existence, but that does not ultimately explain anything. It is just an aesthetical preference with no discernible or detectable consequence beyond your own psychological mindset.

One can prove, that in town called Rome lives a man called Bob496. Well, this Bob makes actions. One can not deny, that healthy Bob496 makes actions. Thus, one can find them and describe by Physics. Same is with the being called "God". First step to study God is to prove His existence. That is easily done by Philosophy of Religion. No disproof ever came.

 

[LuisDantas]

Same is with the being called "God". First step to study God is to prove His existence. That is easily done by Philosophy of Religion. No disproof ever came.

No disproof was ever made necessary, actually.

I do not know why you say that God's existence has been proven, but such is not the case and arguably can't ever be the case.

 

[oldbadger]

One needs to be highly intelligent to know the truth that there is. ,...........

Not true.
Anybody can know the truth that there is, simply by listening, reading, learning about the truth that there is.

Intelligence is all about conceiving, initiating, discoveries which can lead to solutions to problems or new knowledge, surely?

I won't get more intelligence just because I learn about truth

 

[Shantanu]

Not true.
Anybody can know the truth that there is, simply by listening, reading, learning about the truth that there is.

Intelligence is all about conceiving, initiating, discoveries which can lead to solutions to problems or new knowledge, surely?

I won't get more intelligence just because I learn about truth

How do you define 'intelligence'? - my definition is intelligence is the capacity to acquire knowledge required for survival purposes.

 

[questfortruth]

No disproof was ever made necessary, actually.

I do not know why you say that God's existence has been proven, but such is not the case and arguably can't ever be the case.

So, Jesus will never come back??? Blaspheme!!!

 

[LuisDantas]

So, Jesus will never come back??? Blaspheme!!!

Quite so. By a Christian perspective, I am indeed a blasphemer.

 

[oldbadger]

How do you define 'intelligence'? - my definition is intelligence is the capacity to acquire knowledge required for survival purposes.

But that is different to what you said before, true?

 

[questfortruth]

Quite so. By a Christian perspective, I am indeed a blasphemer.

Let us see who is of another opinion. Every atheist has own opinion. The Hindus are caring about own gods only, so they can live with thought, that Jesus will return. Who has problem with my God?

 

[Shantanu]

But that is different to what you said before, true?

It is an elaboration of what I said before.

 

[Jollybear]

So, who cares? Gods are a dime a dozen.

You dont have to care, you just have to care about this Gods law, the golden rule.

gods beings a dime a dozen does not do away with there being a ultimate first God, that is eternal.

There cannot be an infinite regression of gods.

 

[Jollybear]

God is actually not an explanation at all, regardless of whether there is any.

An explanation is supposed to have explanatory power. Proposing it should have some form of useful consequence. It should help in predicting phenomena, their circunstances, their properties.

It does have this explanatory power. It explains the apparent design and order in the universe.

It also predicts as we continue to study more things in the universe, space, our plannet, everywhere, that we will continue to find out and learn the order and function and design and we will continue to see design.

It predicts all this.

As we discover more and more, we will never find something that is simple and disorderly and undesigned.

You are of course free to propose a divine will behind existence, but that does not ultimately explain anything. It is just an aesthetical preference with no discernible or detectable consequence beyond your own psychological mindset.

It does explain. It explains that the mechanism behind time, space, laws, order, design and matter is due to conciousness, intelligence, static energy and sound.

 

[questfortruth]

It does have this explanatory power. It explains the apparent design and order in the universe.

It also predicts as we continue to study more things in the universe, space, our plannet, everywhere, that we will continue to find out and learn the order and function and design and we will continue to see design.

It predicts all this.

As we discover more and more, we will never find something that is simple and disorderly and undesigned.

It does explain. It explains that the mechanism behind time, space, laws, order, design and matter is due to conciousness, intelligence, static energy and sound.

It is funny to see, how you speek Absolute Truth.... to liars-lions. Do you think they do not know their Creator?! How come? How a car can not know own mechanic?

 

[Jollybear]

It is funny to see, how you speek Absolute Truth.... to liars-lions. Do you think they do not know their Creator?! How come? How a car can not know own mechanic?

Thats what im trying to figure out.

I dont know if they know the creator or not. Its hard to imagine that they cannot, since there position is not tenable via evidence, inference, logically and philosophically.

But, mayby its ignorence, mayby its a blindness. Mayby its denial. Mayby its a hatrid for the creator.

I heard one atheist say and i quote "i dont believe God exist, but even if there is one, i dont want him telling me what to do!"

But, i will throw it up to a case by case basis.

Id like to add this though. Anytime i debate, i do so because theres a inkling of doubt in the back of my mind. However, in my experience, after debating, the inkling tends to vanish and i become more stronger in my view because i see the atheists logic totally breaks apart.

 

[questfortruth]

Thats what im trying to figure out.

All contemporary Nihilism comes down to satan himself. If you will understand satan, you will understand any idiot. I can help you to understand how satan has fallen. But do not look into abyss!

 

[Jollybear]

All contemporary Nihilism comes down to satan himself. If you will understand satan, you will understand any idiot. I can help you to understand how satan has fallen. But do not look into abyss!

Yea, satan is a true idiot, thays for sure.

I clicked on the video, it said its not available in my country.

What country you live? Im in the USA

 

[Cooky]

There are very few highly intelligent people.
There are very few highly religious people.
Therefore, is expected, that Scientific Community consists almost entirely of atheists: the advance in intelligence reduces the advance in religion. The same reasoning says, that Scientific community is hostile place: the highly good people are very few.

The probability, that a human is saint is p=0.000001 or less. The probability, that a human is genius is P=0.000001 or less. Thus, the probability, that a human is both saint and genius is near zero:
p*P=0.000001*0.000001=0.000000000001. The University professors of Steven Hawking level are highly intelligent. Therefore, it is highly unlikely, that they are saints as well. Being not a saint means to be more or less evil.

"Austin Powers - Sharks with lasers"

It is not correlations I am talking about. I talk about concentrations: in Universities are more of atheism. Just recall the Darwinism in School.

I'll hold my reservations on who's intelligent until I see someone who can hold a piece of chalk in each hand and write two totally different paragraphs, on a chalk board, in two seperate languages at the same time.

...That person will thus be deemed "intelligent" by me.

 

[LuisDantas]

It does have this explanatory power. It explains the apparent design and order in the universe.

It also predicts as we continue to study more things in the universe, space, our plannet, everywhere, that we will continue to find out and learn the order and function and design and we will continue to see design.

It predicts all this.

As we discover more and more, we will never find something that is simple and disorderly and undesigned.



It does explain. It explains that the mechanism behind time, space, laws, order, design and matter is due to conciousness, intelligence, static energy and sound.

Sorry, you are just mistaken.

 

[lukethethird]

You dont have to care, you just have to care about this Gods law, the golden rule.

Anybody that wants to get along lives by the golden rule which has nothing to do whether gods exist or not, how you can conflate the two is beyond me.

gods beings a dime a dozen does not do away with there being a ultimate first God, that is eternal.

There cannot be an infinite regression of gods.

No one gives a crap about any ultimate first God whatsoever, anymore than any lowlife last God. Nothing changes whether they exist or do not exist. Even if your ultimate first God does exist so what? What do you expect anybody to do about it? We live our lives, gods, God, or no God/s.

 

[Jollybear]

Sorry, you are just mistaken.

Why is it mistaken?