Intelligent design, my version.

[AllanV]

Real prophets prophesy future events that people will see it happening.

Several events tell that they were right except if we have to think that they were lucky enough that they got it right.

There is probably a little more to this. A prophet speaks a word and brings the events into reality. The whole of creation was made to appear by the word or spokesman. God calls a Prophet who speaks the word and it will come to pass.

 

[AllanV]

Over a period of time I have watched some presentations by different scientists. There are a few points I am uncertain on.
There is a 7million% discrepancy in dating methods.
C14 is present in diamond indicating an age less that 100,000 years.
26 million year old dinosaurs have obvious remaining soft tissue with cells and capillaries where previous thought was it shouldn't exist for more than 100,000 years.

The Colorado river in the Grand canyon would have initially needed to flow uphill over the plateau where the canyon is situated. The contention is it was formed quickly much like a dam bursting with a lot of water behind it. It eroded quickly down to a point where a river could flow down hill. There are hills of some size situated around the plain above the canyon that have the same erosion lines, but where did all the material go because the amount must have been enormous.

 

[gnostic]

I support the idea of intelligent design being taught in Schools,as per this type;

Some people believe God created the Earth some 5 billion years ago, God was in no hurry so he spent 3 billion years before creating primitive bacterial life in a soup like mix of DNA strands, 1 1/2 billion years later he created the dinosaurs, and skipping ahead only 100,000 years ago he created the first Humans, one woman Eve and probably more than one man as her mate, skipping ahead to 15,000 years ago God created a great furnace to melt the Ice that covered most of the world and there was a great flood, 98% of the World's people lived below our present sea level and when most of the glaciers melted there was a cataclysm of Global warming that raised the sea level 400!!! feet and 99% of the world's people drowned, In the middle east everyone was killed except for a visionary nautical engineer that built a great ship his name was Noah and you may or may not believe the rest of the story but people of faith believe some of it is recorded in the bible.

I call it intelligent design, and its based on the idea that evolution is the way God creates, by encouraging mutations to occur over million of millions of years etc In a regular science course at high school all it would take is one one hour class to discuss it as a possible alternative to Godless evolution as theorized by Charles Darwin and most modern scientists.

No Intelligent Design or Creationism should be taught in classrooms, unless it is private Christian schools.

The whole "god" part - whether you give it the titles of "Creator" or "Designer" - is the problem.

Wherever and whenever you attempt to give credit of god to creation of the world or universe, is a matter of your personal own opinion or your own personal belief, and that can't be taught in the science classrooms.

You can believe in god all you want, but the fact of the matter is that science deal with anything that can be verified, either through empirical evidences or through testings...or be proven through mathematical models or equations, hence mathematical proof, like theoretical physics.

There are no evidences for god/creator/designer. You can't test god/creator/designer in experiments. And you can't prove the existence of god/creator/designer through mathematical equations or models.

And beside all that, your version of ID is not Intelligent Design, but it is "theistic evolution".

BUT, theistic evolution is simply an OPINION (or belief), not a scientific theory. And like ID, theistic evolution can't be taught in science classroom, because it is still "unscientific" and "unfalsifiable". Like ID, theistic evolution is pseudoscience, because of this god/creator/designer.

 

[gnostic]

Maybe Philosophy in University, its not really as simple to understand as it might look on paper!! But for instance in science classes today they teach there was no universal flood, when there was, as I said in the OP, at the end of the last ice age, the sea level rose 400ft and no one knows for sure how slow or rapid a process it was, at least according to scientists.

I think the problem for you, Lyndon, is that you presume the Earth was completely covered in ice sheets...well it wasn't. I don't think you completely understand the science of the ice ages.

At no stage in human history were there ever a global flood, because the ice sheet didn't cover the whole of earth.

Yes, the Earth was cooler, but the last ice age wasn't global. Much of North America, Northern Europe and Asia were covered with ice sheets, but every place else weren't cover, so a global flood didn't happen.

If there was a single global flood, then there would be geological evidences everywhere, that would point at single point in time. There isn't any such evidence.

That's the reason why global flood hasn't been taught in science, because it didn't happen.

Large regional flood occur annually, but the Noaẖ's global myth, was most likely (and indirectly) borrowing of the original Sumerian river flood myth, where the hero was called Ziusudra. The later Akkadian and Babylonian myths of Atrahasis or Utnapishtim were confined in the Mesopotamia, because fragments of Gilgamesh, have spread east and west, during the middle Babylonian period (around mid-2nd millennium bce), and as far west as Egypt and the Hittite homeland.

Just because there are many flood myths through ancient civilizations and cultures, doesn't mean they were talking of the same single (and global) flood.

 

[AllanV]

I have worked in employment where honestly some individuals present a blindness that can place the survival of the company in jeopardy.
This is the problem now because there is a God and there is going to be a Judgment.
God wants to be on the inside and to give inspiration to do that which is correct.

There is so much that shows intricate design that just cannot evolve. Adaption perhaps but if something is going to mutate into something better well! We have mutation oxidizing decay entropy and predatory biology. There is a sympathetic tuning much like resonance. When sin entered in it brought everything under subjection to a corrupt ruler ship in the power of influence enveloping this earth.
It has been all down hill from that time. There are many clues and evidence. It is a crime scene.

This whole world is in jeopardy because the Godless are getting their own way.
Why would any body think it was sane to build weaponry that will destroy the planet. To pollute the sea with chemicals and contaminate the air necessary for life.
God's design makes everything work very well but there are limits to what can be repaired.
It serves good purpose for some to say there is no God. Let us divide the spoils, rape and pillage the planet, manipulate and control and enslave. When will the point of no return occur?

There is some good of course but it is getting more difficult to find.

 

[Lyndon]

Just as an earth Created by God can not be considered a proven established fact, the idea that the earth has evolved over billions of years through evolution purely by chance without the intervention of any God or supreme being, is just a theory, not an established to fact, to prove it right one would have to prove without a shadow of a doubt that God does not exist or has no power, and atheists haven't been able to prove that any more than vice versa.

Thats why they call it the THEORY of evolution, not the ESTABLISHED FACT of evolution.

 

[metis]

Just as an earth Created by God can not be considered a proven established fact, the idea that the earth has evolved over billions of years through evolution purely by chance without the intervention of any God or supreme being, is just a theory, not an established to fact, to prove it right one would have to prove without a shadow of a doubt that God does not exist or has no power, and atheists haven't been able to prove that any more than vice versa.

Thats why they call it the THEORY of evolution, not the ESTABLISHED FACT of evolution.

Actually the basic ToE has been more than well established, but where a problem often arises is that some attach concepts to it that are not actually the elements that we are certain exist.

 

[gnostic]

I think descendants of Cain, Asian people survived the flood near high Mt Everest Mountains.

There were no flood in human history on Mount Everest, PERIOD!

1. The earliest Homo sapiens have only been around for 200,000 years.
2. The oldest Homo sapiens sapiens (modern humans) at least 30,000 years ago.
3. The last ice age ended around 11,000 years ago.

But area which people called the Himalayas, including Mount Everest, didn't exist before 70 million years ago, because the Indian subcontinent (or the Indian tectonic plate) wasn't join to the Asia continent (or Eurasian tectonic plate), prior to 70 million years ago. What you called the Himalayas was underwater, and that was 69 million years before Homo sapiens first appeared.

As the Indian subcontinent collide against Asian, where the two tectonic plates met, caused uplift of lands. The Himalyas, as well as Mount Everest, is still rising, because the Indian tectonic plate is still pushing into the Eurasian tectonic plate. Geologists found signs of marine life on the Himalayas, but those marine life were from the time before two plates collided (before 70 million years ago). The fossils of marine life predate the end of dinosaurs, and man didn't exist when dinosaurs were around.

I think you should read up the geological history of the Himalayas, instead of making up story about Cain being there, because you are sounding more and more ignorant, the more posts I read from you. A little research could help you to learn, instead of basing your wild imagination or your religious fanaticism.

Again, I'd implore you to read up on the Himalayas.

I don't care if you use the Britannia, World Encyclopedia or even the Wikipedia, but it is important to familiar yourself with the Himalayas and Mount Everest, instead of your current baseless opinions.

 

[gnostic]

There is a 7million% discrepancy in dating methods.

OMG!

LOL

There is no such thing as "7 million per cent". You are making things up.

You should go back to school, and learn basic maths, because you are sounding very ignorant.

 

[gnostic]

Just as an earth Created by God can not be considered a proven established fact, the idea that the earth has evolved over billions of years through evolution purely by chance without the intervention of any God or supreme being, is just a theory, not an established to fact, to prove it right one would have to prove without a shadow of a doubt that God does not exist or has no power, and atheists haven't been able to prove that any more than vice versa.

Thats why they call it the THEORY of evolution, not the ESTABLISHED FACT of evolution.

Ignorance piles on more ignorance.

Do you know how many ignorant people have said exactly the same thing? Too many that I could count.

The state of education from creationists are really poor when it come to science, and you are proving yourself to be ignorant with this statement alone - Thats why they call it the THEORY of evolution, not the ESTABLISHED FACT of evolution".

They (creationists) often have to make up stories, and you are no better.

Scientific theory is a valid and verifiable explanation of established facts. Do you understand this?

You don't understand theory at all, do you?

Scientific theory = verifiable explanation. "Verifiable", as in empirical evidences.

Evidences is what validate a hypothesis or theory, not miracle, not faith, and not wishful thinking.

Do you understand the difference between theory and hypothesis, in science?

 

[Skwim]

Thats why they call it the THEORY of evolution, not the ESTABLISHED FACT of evolution.

FYI
The it you speak of is the fact of evolution. The THEORY of evolution is the explanation of how it operates.

Thing is, Lyndon, you've made a lot of remarks in this thread that expose a significant lack of knowledge/education. You're choice to continue, of course, but it ain't very pretty.

 

[gnostic]

Noah's flood according to the bible which says it was a worldwide flood doesn't make any sense to me.

No it doesn't make sense.

But even large regional flood doesn't make sense in the Qur'an.

Sure, regional floods occurred frequently, but the Qur'an doesn't make sense too.

If it was a regional flood, and being a prophet, Noah could have moved - on foot - to a higher (and safer) location, instead of building a large ark.

According to Genesis, Noah had a vision or revelation of the flood from God, 100 years before the flood actually occurred; Noah was 500 when he had the revelation, and 600 when he boarded the Ark. I know that the Qur'an doesn't the years of when the revelation and flood occurred, but if Noah had 100 years to make preparations, then he wouldn't need to build an ark. He could have easily walked to the highest location in one or two years, and settled there.

To me, the Qur'an is equally senseless. There were no need for any ark building if it was a regional flood.

 

[gnostic]

FYI
The it you speak of is the fact of evolution. The THEORY of evolution is the explanation of how it operates.

Thing is, Lyndon, you've made a lot of remarks in this thread that expose a significant lack of knowledge/education. You're choice to continue, of course, but it ain't very pretty.

Not pretty at all. *nods*

 

[Lyndon]

100%, 200%=twice as big, 500%=5 times as big................7million %=70,000 times bigger. You're the one that doesn't know basic math, gnostic.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

No Intelligent Design or Creationism should be taught in classrooms, unless it is private Christian schools.

The whole "god" part - whether you give it the titles of "Creator" or "Designer" - is the problem.

Wherever and whenever you attempt to give credit of god to creation of the world or universe, is a matter of your personal own opinion or your own personal belief, and that can't be taught in the science classrooms.

It's a strawman because the existence of God is not asserted as a matter of fact in creationism, it is asserted as a matter of faith, opinion. One can just measure how things are decided in the universe, and still have the opinion that hate is what motivated these decisions, that the universe is basically a giant place of torture.

And looking at organisms, we can see that they are chosen as a whole.

Evolution theory predicts for every part of the organism to change in every possible direction by random mutation. Then supposedly, natural selection would channel this total chaos into the whole that we see. It does not work out mathematically, chaos wins from natural selection according to mathematics.

And the solution is simply that organisms are chosen as a whole in the DNA world.

 

[Skwim]

It's a strawman because the existence of God is not asserted as a matter of fact in creationism, it is asserted as a matter of faith, opinion.

Ignorance can be so sad, So verrry sad. Especially when it's presented as a truth.

 

[AllanV]

OMG!

LOL

There is no such thing as "7 million per cent". You are making things up.

You should go back to school, and learn basic maths, because you are sounding very ignorant.

That is exactly how it was presented. This was watched this morning.

 

[gnostic]

I figured you were just making things up weren't you, you have no evidence there is no God, hence you say there is no God, Do you realize how incredibly illogical that sounds, think about it!!

More ignorance from you.

Do you know what a hypothesis is, in science? Or have you ever heard of the Scientific Method?

Hypothesis is a possible explanation for natural phenomena, which should include predictions.

When scientist formulate their hypothesis, the hypothesis are considered false, by default. When the hypothesis is being tested, they are trying to establish whether their prediction and hypothesis to be true or not. If the evidences doesn't support the hypothesis then it is false. The hypothesis is only consider true, if the evidences support the prediction and hypothesis.

The hypothesis IS NEVER TRUE before any testing or any evidence discovered. It would be considered illogical to think it is true, just because you believe it to be true.

You only believe that God exist to be true, but you have no evidences to support it, because faith don't require any evidence at all. This is preconception and wishful thinking.

Can you show physical evidences that God is real? You can't.

 

[Lyndon]

You're calling me ignorant, when you're the one that thought there is no such thing as 7million% LOL.

And Yeah the theory that evolution is a natural process in which God has no part is a HYPOTHESIS that has never been proven.

Relativity was a Einsteinian Hypothesis that had plenty of evidence to be true, but we know know it is not true.

 

[YmirGF]

Ignorance can be so sad, So verrry sad. Especially when it's presented as a truth.

One gets rather used to it, eventually. Stupidity on Steroids pretty much sums up so-called "creationism".