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Intention to make Umrah
- Thread starter Gharib
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Cordoba
Well-Known Member
<<whats the ruling on performing Umrah and not having or having a beard shorter than a fists span?>>
No problem in that brother
Having a beard is an optional Sunnah, not an obligation (i.e. not fard) according to some trustworthy Muslim scholars
You may wish to check this answer:
Islamic Ruling on Growing Beard - Dress & Adornment - counsels - OnIslam.net
May it be a blessed Umrah, and don't forget us in your du'aa
No problem in that brother
Having a beard is an optional Sunnah, not an obligation (i.e. not fard) according to some trustworthy Muslim scholars
You may wish to check this answer:
Islamic Ruling on Growing Beard - Dress & Adornment - counsels - OnIslam.net
May it be a blessed Umrah, and don't forget us in your du'aa
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
i looked at the link brother, jazak Allah khairun for posting it, however, my knowledge of a few hadith and other scholarly views prevents me form accepting it.
one of the hadith which i know is that Rasulallah salallahu alayhi wa salam has said that the beard is part of a mans Fitrah, but i don't wish to give my own ruling that it is compulsory, i have been trying to read the commentary of the scholars on it. i also looked a little more yesterday after i posted the question and i found an article that says all 4 madhhabs say it is haram to shave the beard.
and the answer in the link only quotes one hadith, and even that hadith says "grow the beard and trim the mustache". i have given my word to Allah that even though that which is true and correct is displeasing and hard to me, i will accept it.
i hope Allah forgives me and accepts my Umrah.
one of the hadith which i know is that Rasulallah salallahu alayhi wa salam has said that the beard is part of a mans Fitrah, but i don't wish to give my own ruling that it is compulsory, i have been trying to read the commentary of the scholars on it. i also looked a little more yesterday after i posted the question and i found an article that says all 4 madhhabs say it is haram to shave the beard.
and the answer in the link only quotes one hadith, and even that hadith says "grow the beard and trim the mustache". i have given my word to Allah that even though that which is true and correct is displeasing and hard to me, i will accept it.
i hope Allah forgives me and accepts my Umrah.
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
I respect your point of view brother, but I would like to point out an important issue:
Not all commands in the Qur'an and Sunnah are obligatory (fard), as some are mustahab (recommended).
I'll give you one example from the Qur'an:
Allah (SWT) says the following in verses about Hajj and the sacrificial animals:
"And the camels and cattle We have appointed for you as among the symbols of Allah ; for you therein is good. So mention the name of Allah upon them when lined up [for sacrifice]; and when they are [lifeless] on their sides, then eat from them and feed the needy and the beggar. Thus have We subjected them to you that you may be grateful." (22:36)
Is the command to eat meat here obligatory?
The answer is no, it is recommended in Mina to do that and to offer meat for the needy. Those who don't feel like eating meat for health reasons, or any other reason, are not sinful.
One of the important learning points is not to take all texts of the Qur'an and Sunnah literally. Not all commands are at the same level of obligation, as even a pillar of Islam like Hajj is a command only for those who can afford it, and are able to make the journey
Those who can't are not sinful for not performing Hajj
The same applies to the beard: it is a recommended Sunnah, but those who can't grow their beards (because they will get in trouble at work, or any other valid reason) are not sinful, and one clear example is Turkey for many years under Attaturk and other extreme secular rulers when growing a beard was simply not accepted
Wishing you a blessed Umrah In-Shaa-Allah
Not all commands in the Qur'an and Sunnah are obligatory (fard), as some are mustahab (recommended).
I'll give you one example from the Qur'an:
Allah (SWT) says the following in verses about Hajj and the sacrificial animals:
"And the camels and cattle We have appointed for you as among the symbols of Allah ; for you therein is good. So mention the name of Allah upon them when lined up [for sacrifice]; and when they are [lifeless] on their sides, then eat from them and feed the needy and the beggar. Thus have We subjected them to you that you may be grateful." (22:36)
Is the command to eat meat here obligatory?
The answer is no, it is recommended in Mina to do that and to offer meat for the needy. Those who don't feel like eating meat for health reasons, or any other reason, are not sinful.
One of the important learning points is not to take all texts of the Qur'an and Sunnah literally. Not all commands are at the same level of obligation, as even a pillar of Islam like Hajj is a command only for those who can afford it, and are able to make the journey
Those who can't are not sinful for not performing Hajj
The same applies to the beard: it is a recommended Sunnah, but those who can't grow their beards (because they will get in trouble at work, or any other valid reason) are not sinful, and one clear example is Turkey for many years under Attaturk and other extreme secular rulers when growing a beard was simply not accepted
Wishing you a blessed Umrah In-Shaa-Allah
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
i envy your knowledge brother. you do make good points. may Allah increase our knowledge even further insha Allah.
i have one last issue though. i understand about going to Hajj and how those who don't have the means to go are not obligated. but isn't it a sin for those who do have the money and the time but don't go? i know people who go to all other places for holiday and what not, but don't go to Hajj or Umrah. aren't they going to be held accountable for it? i decided to break that trend for the sake of Allah by going for Umrah myself for the sake of Allah and hopefully by the help of Allah to inspire others to go.
and second, the last example of the situation in Turkey is similar to the Communism period of Albania. muslims were forbidden to fast and would get in trouble for it. but that doesn't justify the actions of those not living in Albania and who didn't/don't fast. moreover, isn't it a duty for muslims to migrate from a place where their practices of what islam teaches are limited. isn't it Fard in this case for the muslims of Albania either to wage war or leave the country? they did neither.
i don't mean to debate, but i just don't have a good understanding of this and i would appreciate your thoughts on it. i know you have more knowledge and insha Allah you might be able to help me brother. i don't believe i will have further questions on this matter once you explain the above, my knowledge is very limited.
i have one last issue though. i understand about going to Hajj and how those who don't have the means to go are not obligated. but isn't it a sin for those who do have the money and the time but don't go? i know people who go to all other places for holiday and what not, but don't go to Hajj or Umrah. aren't they going to be held accountable for it? i decided to break that trend for the sake of Allah by going for Umrah myself for the sake of Allah and hopefully by the help of Allah to inspire others to go.
and second, the last example of the situation in Turkey is similar to the Communism period of Albania. muslims were forbidden to fast and would get in trouble for it. but that doesn't justify the actions of those not living in Albania and who didn't/don't fast. moreover, isn't it a duty for muslims to migrate from a place where their practices of what islam teaches are limited. isn't it Fard in this case for the muslims of Albania either to wage war or leave the country? they did neither.
i don't mean to debate, but i just don't have a good understanding of this and i would appreciate your thoughts on it. i know you have more knowledge and insha Allah you might be able to help me brother. i don't believe i will have further questions on this matter once you explain the above, my knowledge is very limited.
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
Scholars have 2 opinions on when a Muslim should perform Hajj
1- The safer opinion is to go to Hajj as soon as one has enough savings to make the journey, and is physically able to travel
2- The second opinion, mainly the Shafei school of fiqh, says that Hajj is an obligation once in a lifetime. Therefore, it is permissible to delay Hajj for a while, like for example if one wants to get married: should he marry first or go to Hajj?
This group of scholars say that if marriage is an urgent necessity for a Muslim, then getting married first and after that go to Hajj. If it's not that urgent (i.e. they are safe of falling in sin), then perform Hajj and afterward get married
This answer gives more details:
Delaying Hajj to a More Convenient Time - Hajj: Merits & Rulings - counsels - OnIslam.net
Both opinions are valid, as they both have their evidence, and a Muslim is allowed to take any of the two opinions, depending on their condition
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
Brother Cordoba has convinced me. i will go with the view that he presented. i would still like to grow a beard in the future insha Allah.
the growing of a beard has become quite an issue in my home country and when i am with people who are from there and speak ill of growing a beard, i always tell them that real men grow beards while feminine men and women don't. they hate it when i tell them that.
i like to follow every little detail of the Sunnah of Rasulallah salallahu alayhi wa salam. i can't wait for the day i implement the full sunnah on my daily life. make it happen ya Allah.
thank you sisters for your posts and inputs too. i appreciate it.
the growing of a beard has become quite an issue in my home country and when i am with people who are from there and speak ill of growing a beard, i always tell them that real men grow beards while feminine men and women don't. they hate it when i tell them that.
i like to follow every little detail of the Sunnah of Rasulallah salallahu alayhi wa salam. i can't wait for the day i implement the full sunnah on my daily life. make it happen ya Allah.
thank you sisters for your posts and inputs too. i appreciate it.
Pastek
Sunni muslim
I dont know if you went or not yet eselam
But i forgot to tell you something important. Try to buy some Qur'an in Mekkah and Medina. And let them in the 2 Mosques.
It gonna be hassanat for you all your life, even after death. And also hassanat for any other people you buy the Quran to (for exemple for someone of your family, or a friend).
It was around 10 euros.
You have to ask before which Qu'ran are accepted in the Mosque, because you can't buy the one you want. You can buy it in english, spanish, arabic, etc ...
Hope i didn't tell you too late ! Salam
But i forgot to tell you something important. Try to buy some Qur'an in Mekkah and Medina. And let them in the 2 Mosques.
It gonna be hassanat for you all your life, even after death. And also hassanat for any other people you buy the Quran to (for exemple for someone of your family, or a friend).
It was around 10 euros.
You have to ask before which Qu'ran are accepted in the Mosque, because you can't buy the one you want. You can buy it in english, spanish, arabic, etc ...
Hope i didn't tell you too late ! Salam
Bismillah
Submit
Salaam alaikum, just wanted to show a old post of mine with some excerpts of scholars who have the view that while the Sunnah of growing a beard is recommended it is not obligatory here. I have also read the opinion of the scholars who view the beard as an obligation, I don't want to cause debate just give additional resources.
As for the length of the beard being more/less than a fist I am not sure though I am pretty sure the Prophet's beard was 2 fists in length. Mine is sadly much shorter, so I am interested in the responses to that question as well.
As for the length of the beard being more/less than a fist I am not sure though I am pretty sure the Prophet's beard was 2 fists in length. Mine is sadly much shorter, so I am interested in the responses to that question as well.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
Thank you very much sister, that is wonderful advice I never thought of doing that. I will do what you say if I ever go there again. I'm back now, if only you had posted this a day earlier than when you did. But thank you still, it is a wonderful idea, I will actually give money to whoever is going for hajj this year and ask them to do that for me.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
I was under impression that it is not mandatory, but recently I just started to read a little more on it and based on what I read it looked like it was compulsory.
Brother Cordoba explained it quite nice though. I will read some more on it now that I have more time and I will post to let you know if i come across something important.
As for the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam, I have read that he never trimmed nor shortened his beard. While others (not all) used to trim their and would not have it shorter than one fist in length.
I will do more research on this matter insha Allah. It is best to read about both views and then see which has more evidence.