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Interviewing God

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I think you have in mind the ceremonious ritual of the Pharisees - Mark 7:2-5; Matthew 15:2 __________
David too spoke about washing his hands at Psalms 26:6 in the sense of being morally clean.
Water was used at Deuteronomy 21:6.
Water for hygiene was used at Leviticus 15:5-12 see also Leviticus 15:13; Leviticus 15:16-17; Leviticus 15:18-24,27
At Leviticus 16:24 and Genesis 24:32 both bodies and objects were cleansed by water for hygiene.
Clothes were washed in water - Leviticus 14:8 besides Numbers 19:19 B.
Thus, before coming back to camp there was washing with water - Leviticus 16:26-28; Numbers 19:7-10
in Leviticus chapter 11 touching a dead body was making a person unclean.
Some more modern-day doctors used to go from the morgue to the delivery room causing death to new borns.
If they would have followed the Bible's instructions they would have washed first.

I think you are confusing cleanliness of the mind (which incidentally may be different gor people of different faiths or no faith) with hygiene.

Why wash hands over a dead animal, why not after one had handled the animal?

Washing feet is ritual, what about hands etc.

Not going further, obviously you interpret the bible far differently than i do

Please provide evidence that modern day doctor went from morgue to delivery room and said doctors caused the death of the newborn.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I think when the Bible is read that Jesus makes a clear distinction between 'wheat and weeds ' the chaff, and between the 'sheep' and 'goats' besides giving the warning that MANY would come in his name but prove false - Matthew 7:21-23

Often, someone might say they are Christian but then won't discuss the Bible.
Seems silly because when someone says they are a sports fan they will discuss sports.
Or, someone might say only discuss religion inside of a church.
But that same person won't say only discuss sports in a sport's stadium.

Yes some people, many people have different beliefs, what is to say your interpretation is correct and they are wrong?

FYI, according to the church i am Christian, i was baptized and my name entered in their records. I have tried several times to have that entry deleted, always without luck.

On that basis alone i believe the number that Christianity gives as Christian is much exaggerated compared to real life
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Yes some people, many people have different beliefs, what is to say your interpretation is correct and they are wrong?
FYI, according to the church i am Christian, i was baptized and my name entered in their records. I have tried several times to have that entry deleted, always without luck.
On that basis alone i believe the number that Christianity gives as Christian is much exaggerated compared to real life

Yes, even infants who had No choice in the matter are often still counted as being Christian.
So, yes, much exaggerated compared to real life.
I was a baptised infant in another state. I wrote there to delete my name and never heard back.
Years later in that other state I attended a relative's funeral.
The family was outraged because everyone's name was missing. No trace of any records.
Besides names, all the old cemetery records (starting with 1913) for the family plot they were also gone/ missing.
The undertaker was stunned, and when I told him I had the cemetery deed he immediately copied it for the record.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Yes some people, many people have different beliefs, what is to say your interpretation is correct and they are wrong?

I suppose it started with questions.
When my father died, what is there about hell fire? Forever burning pain after death ? (sounded crazy to me)
After all, Jesus said to be in fear of him who can kill the soul.
So, how can a dead soul be alive to feel burning pain?
When my grandmother died why pray she'd be acquitted of sin when Romans 6:7,23 says she already is acquitted ?
When my uncle died how could pay-and-pray masses change what he did or did not do?
When a friend's infant died, why did the minister say (Not the Bible) that God needed another angel ?
Both church and science class taught Earth will be destroyed.
One fine day I met a man who said I have good news for you and read me Ecclesiastes 1:4 that Earth abides forever, as does Psalms 104:5 mention Earth being permanent.
For me, I choose to only learn more of what the Bible really teaches, and who would satisfactory answer my questions. Surely literal hell-fire is Not biblical. Surely the soul dies. Surely death acquits a person's sins.
God does Not need more angels by taking infants from earth.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Selectively by the internal harmony found among the 66 Bible books.
Thus, the apocryphal books simply exclude themselves by being out of harmony with the harmonious 66 Bible books

These choices were made 350 years after JCs death, there is little to say if they are actually true. In many cases there is nothing to say this or that actually happened.

Who chose "harmony" who chose to omit swathes of information?

Example. It is know that all the gnostic scriptures were omitted.
 

Madmogwai

Madmogwai
Jesus never gave explicit statements about such relevant issues as homosexuality or abortion

So it would be good to get some clarity on these issues
Yes, the New Testament mentions a marriage is a union between a man and woman.
Another part mentions no sex before marriage.
Put the two together it’s obvious
 

Madmogwai

Madmogwai
I would question God as to why he holds humanity, Lucifer, and the other fallen angels responsible for how poorly his creation turned out and why he, as the alleged omnipotent and omniscient creator, believes that claiming "free will" is a genuinely honest answer for an omnipotent and omniscient God like him to fallback on. I'd also ask him why he thought it was morally responsible to repopulate the world with the same type of flawed humans after feeling regret for creating humanity, drowning every living person (except for one man and his family) in a global flood, and then commanding that his own son die a horrific death on a cross as a blood sacrifice to redeem humanity. Finally, I'd like to ask him if he turns a blind eye or watches as people are murdered in cold blood, when adults and children die traumatic deaths or die of a deadly disease or virus, when women are violently raped, or when helpless young children and teenagers are severely abused or are molested and raped by his devoted followers (Catholic priests and other Christians). I think that these inquiries would be a good start, but I doubt the biblical God would accept responsibility for his own mistakes and failures.

God created Man, if they get sick or die or commit a heinous act it’s not Gods fault.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Yes, the New Testament mentions a marriage is a union between a man and woman.
Another part mentions no sex before marriage.
Put the two together it’s obvious

What about the other seven marriages that God permitted, which are also mentioned in the Bible?

biblemarriage.jpg
 

Madmogwai

Madmogwai
So he created an imperfect being subject to ill health?
Obviously yes,and obviously it was no accident and was done for a reason.
Unlike some I’m not so arrogant as to question Gods reason and pretend to understand what is clearly beyond my understanding.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Obviously yes,and obviously it was no accident and was done for a reason.
Unlike some I’m not so arrogant as to question Gods reason and pretend to understand what is clearly beyond my understanding.

That would actually be my main question to any creator god. What's the script with childhood leukemia?

Doesn't alike a loving caring god to me.


As an aside, i am quite partial to the band Mogwai. Don't know if you've heard of them
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Jesus never gave explicit statements about such relevant issues as homosexuality or abortion

So it would be good to get some clarity on these issues

When anti-LGBT evangelical Christians rant about the sanctity of marriage, they tend to ignore a massive elephant in the room, which is that the Bible clarifies EIGHT different marriages that God permitted during biblical times. And when they insist that God is pro-life and cite specific verses they believe back up their claim, they never mention Numbers 5:11–31 and Exodus 21:22–25.

According to Numbers 5:11–31, if a husband suspected his pregnant wife of adultery but there were no witnesses, then he would bring her before the priest to be tested in order to determine if she was guilty of adultery. She was brought "before the Lord" and required to drink bitter water, which contained ink and dust from the tabernacle floor. Before she drank this toxic water, the priest would write down the accusations against her and then wash the ink off in the water. It was believed that if she had guilty of adultery, then her stomach would swell and she would miscarry. If she was innocent, then nothing would happen and she would be free to go.

According to Exodus 21:22–25, if two people were fighting and one of them accidentally hit a pregnant woman and she miscarried, then the person who hit her was required to pay whatever the woman’s husband demanded and the court allowed. But if the woman was seriously injured and she died, then it was an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. The court decided that it was a property crime if the pregnant woman miscarried, but it was murder if she died, and the person responsible for her death was also killed.

As evidenced by the two biblical passages cited, the God of the Bible not only sanctioned an abortion and a miscarriage, but he also ordered the slaughter of Amalekite infants and children (1 Samuel 15:2-3). And there is also Psalm 137:9, which says, "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks," and there was the global flood, where God kills every living person on earth (including children, infants, and the unborn), with the exception of Noah, his wife, and his sons. If the Bible is accurate, then I think it's obvious to see by these examples I've provided that the Christian God is definitely not pro-life. Quite the opposite, IMO.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Thank you for further proving my point, all 7 are between a man and a woman.

Not quite. David and Jonathan weren't married, but it is believed by some people that they had a homosexual relationship.

1 Samuel 20:41
: 41 After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together—but David wept the most.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
These choices were made 350 years after JCs death, there is little to say if they are actually true. In many cases there is nothing to say this or that actually happened.
Who chose "harmony" who chose to omit swathes of information?
Example. It is know that all the gnostic scriptures were omitted.

What is out of harmony with the harmonious 66 books is omitted.
The 66 have corresponding cross-reference verses and passages.
If you have a gnostic verse in mind we can see if it corresponds with the 66.
 
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