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Intolerance of Polytheism: Why?

firedragon

Veteran Member
Pluralism - or the acceptance that many traditions have good ideas or valid approaches to life and living - is prevalent in English-speaking cultures today.

Hmm. Can you explain what you mean by "English speaking cultures today"? Is it 100% English speaking, English being the national language, 10% English speaking, English being mother tongue, or any other definition?

However, in spite of relatively tolerant and pluralistic attitudes, it seems there is still a very persistent prejudice against polytheism. This is very sad to see, and I can't help but wonder why. Perhaps it shouldn't be so surprising when there's still very persistent prejudice against, say, atheism, but the prejudice against polytheism gets substantially less attention or discussion. In most cases, it is still simply granted that polytheism is simply bad, primitive, or not viable as theological approach.

Which societies are you referring to? Please give a few countries at least where this is prevalent, and how about countries where the majority are somewhat polytheists? How about Buddhist countries where though they proclaim to be Buddhist they are actually polytheists?

Are you only referring to societies where monotheism is like a state religion or a majority religion?
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
You think the Trinity ISN'T polytheism?

Even the churches admit their "Trinity doctrine" is incoherent. They just don't want to admit what else it is.

And how many 'saints' can you pray to in the RCC? Something well over 10,000?
Saints is not God. Saints is holy human beings

The trinity is not polytheism.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Saints is not God. Saints is holy human beings
Yes, but theologically distinguished from ordinary humans by their post-mortal ability to access God's ear, and to do so on behalf of people who petition them. So if you ever watch believers petitioning a saint, you'll find the forms and the psychology virtually indistinguishable from prayer to a god, no matter what the official position is.
The trinity is not polytheism.
Officially , that's correct.

But officially, the Trinity doctrine is incoherent ─ or as the theologians say, "a mystery in the strict sense".

It wasn't invented till the 4th century CE, which is why you won't find it in the NT, where instead you'll find Jesus repeatedly denying he's God and never once claiming he's God. The reason it was invented was so as to elevate the principal object of Christian worship to God status (regardless of what Jesus said in the NT) BUT at the same time avoid the charge that Christians were polytheists just like the pagans.

The major incoherence of the Trinity doctrine lies in its assertion that the Father is 100% of God, Jesus is 100% of God, and the Ghost is 100% of God. That is, God is not a single person with three manifestations, not ⅓ the Father, ⅓ Jesus and ⅓ the Ghost, not a corporation with a board of three, not a corporation with three shareholders, not a firm with three partners, not a club with three members. There is only one God, and the Father is all of God (and is not Jesus or the Ghost), Jesus is all of God (and is not the Father or the Ghost) and the Ghost is all of God (and is not the Father or Jesus).

The bottom line is that 100%+100%+100% = 300% = 3 gods ─ no matter what the theologians say. (One of the other things they say is that the Trinity doctrine is not against reason but above reason, but once again a moment's reflection reveals that too is nonsense.)
 
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Samael_Khan

Qigong / Yang Style Taijiquan / 7 Star Mantis
Pluralism - or the acceptance that many traditions have good ideas or valid approaches to life and living - is prevalent in English-speaking cultures today. However, in spite of relatively tolerant and pluralistic attitudes, it seems there is still a very persistent prejudice against polytheism. This is very sad to see, and I can't help but wonder why. Perhaps it shouldn't be so surprising when there's still very persistent prejudice against, say, atheism, but the prejudice against polytheism gets substantially less attention or discussion. In most cases, it is still simply granted that polytheism is simply bad, primitive, or not viable as theological approach.

Why is this prejudice so persistent? What is with the hatred and misconceptions of polytheism in the modern era when we really ought to know better by now?

Firstly, most people do not understand what polytheism actually is.

Secondly, quite a large portion of the world are monotheistic, which is by nature intolerant of other religions, never mind just polytheism.

Thirdly, the legacy of monotheism is the root of the problem, since the religions strawman polytheism and connect it with evil, by saying the gods that polytheists worship are actually demons. By nature, monotheism is destructive to all other religions, even monotheistic religions that don't agree with it, as it says that its followers are definitely right, so group narcissism and by feeding their egos they develop a superiority complex and want all other religion stamped out.
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
Pluralism - or the acceptance that many traditions have good ideas or valid approaches to life and living - is prevalent in English-speaking cultures today. However, in spite of relatively tolerant and pluralistic attitudes, it seems there is still a very persistent prejudice against polytheism. This is very sad to see, and I can't help but wonder why. Perhaps it shouldn't be so surprising when there's still very persistent prejudice against, say, atheism, but the prejudice against polytheism gets substantially less attention or discussion. In most cases, it is still simply granted that polytheism is simply bad, primitive, or not viable as theological approach.

Why is this prejudice so persistent? What is with the hatred and misconceptions of polytheism in the modern era when we really ought to know better by now?

I can forgive a certain amount of misconception due to the rarity of polytheism in the West as well as the individualistic and experiential approach most Western polytheists take. However, you're quite right in that there seems to be a strain of willful ignorance among some people. While I'm fortunate enough to live in a country where outright hostility to polytheism is uncommon, I don't doubt that this can be a very real worry for a lot of polytheists.

One thing that does irritate me is the stance some people take towards polytheism regarding authenticity. There seems to be a belief that if somebody isn't fully recreating the practices of ancient polytheists, they're not doing it right. Even a rudimentary knowledge of ancient religions should make it obvious why this isn't a good idea. For example, @Quintessence, you list your religion as Druidry but I assume you don't engage in the Celtic practice of headhunting. That was an important part of their culture but I think people might object if you started decapitating people.

As for why people take a dim view of polytheism, I think there are numerous factors involved. At the more extreme end is the belief among some monotheists that other deities are actually demonic beings. If somebody sincerely believes that then it's easy to see why polytheism would hold a certain amount of horror for them.

I personally suspect that a lot of the opposition to or dismissal of polytheism can be traced back to the narrow scope of religious education. Throughout the entirety of my time in school, our religious education classes covered three topics: Christianity, Islam and Judaism. We didn't even learn about Hinduism or Buddhism. While it's possible that my own experience is on the more extreme end, my understanding is that the Abrahamic religions still occupy the vast majority of most Western students' religious education.

If somebody's religious education is so heavily centered on such a narrow selection of religious views, practices and concepts of deity, then it's small wonder that there are going to be people who don't see polytheism as legitimate. It also places polytheists and anybody interested in polytheism in the tricky situation of effectively having to be self-taught.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
But the idea of religious pluralism and freedom of religion is a Christian one.
I'd say it's more of a response to Christianity than Christian.

The founding fathers agreed upon it to prevent that the many sects are at each others throats all the time. An insight modern monotheists should remember.
You raise an interesting point.

Many Christians are intolerant of other beliefs across the board; it doesn't matter much if those beliefs are held by polytheists, adherents of Dharmic religions, Muslims, atheists, Jews, other Christian denominations, etc., etc.

Maybe the OP is just seeing the intolerance of polytheism most because he's a polytheist himself. I know I find that I have to take a step back sometimes and remind myself that the intolerance against atheism I see from some Christians is more about intolerance of any competing views and isn't really about my views specifically.
 

Samael_Khan

Qigong / Yang Style Taijiquan / 7 Star Mantis
Christianity has been demonizing polytheism since 380...the year of the edict of Thessalonica.
I think it is time Pagan Religions are taken seriously.

Didn't the polytheists also harrass the monotheists because they were offended that they didn't worship other gods? I recall the Roman empire getting upset with the Jews and persecuting them for such a reason.
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
Jews, thousands of years ago, were polytheists, and their religion appears to have acquired elements of earlier religions.

Christians and Muslims are spin-offs of the Jewish religion. Muslims believe that there was a man named Jesus. Christians and Muslims, religiously, are essentially Jews but without many of the laws and restrictions (or with laws and restrictions of their own). So, it would stand to reason that both Christians and Muslims should be polytheists, too.

Loving minor Gods might offend the major God? Perhaps this is why religions became monotheistic?

It is often said that Jews didn't have a devil, yet some kind of evil (in the form of a snake) tempted Adam and Eve to taste of the forbidden fruit of knowledge. So, maybe the devil was considered a minor God that got them in trouble, so religions demoted the minor God to a demon?

God commanded that "thou shalt have no other Gods before me." Does this mean that there are/were other Gods?

Hellinistic Greek philosophy influenced the Christian shift from polytheism to monotheism (though the concept of the trinity varies with Christian sects and passages in the bible).
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Most people either mock me (they think polytheist gods are fake, and they make laugh at me for believing that they are real) or they say polytheists are the antichrist. They think I'm worst than atheists.
While I consider myself a monotheist, I am open to other gods because I am aware that my religion started out as polytheistic and it makes more sense.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Pluralism - or the acceptance that many traditions have good ideas or valid approaches to life and living - is prevalent in English-speaking cultures today. However, in spite of relatively tolerant and pluralistic attitudes, it seems there is still a very persistent prejudice against polytheism. This is very sad to see, and I can't help but wonder why. Perhaps it shouldn't be so surprising when there's still very persistent prejudice against, say, atheism, but the prejudice against polytheism gets substantially less attention or discussion. In most cases, it is still simply granted that polytheism is simply bad, primitive, or not viable as theological approach.

Why is this prejudice so persistent? What is with the hatred and misconceptions of polytheism in the modern era when we really ought to know better by now?

I am of the POV that religion deals with the operating system of the human brain. Monotheism assumes there is a central controlling factor within the brain's operating system. This has been called the inner self by some orientations of psychology. Polytheism, which is older, assumes a looser central command, and more reliance on specialty autonomous subroutines.

Monotheism worships a central controlling factor, while polytheism worships the left arm or the right leg, since the gods of polytheism are about individual aspects of the operating system; god of love or god of war, etc., instead the one central controller that does it all. The latter is more accurate, in terms of data about brain function. Polytheism is closer to a split personality. In polytheism one may worship the God of war, but not the Goddess of love, thereby making one more linear, instead of complete. Each of these two Gods appear complete on their own.

Polytheism, today, is like going backwards and teaching the earth is flat, when all the evidence suggests the earth is round. With polytheism, a specialty god or goddess will be in charge of love and romance; Aphrodite. This goddess deals with only a single part of human nature and potential. This approach may be good of those who wish to specialize in one thing. Monotheism, on the other hand, is more about being complete, via a God who can do it all, using all the various subroutines of polytheism; situationally. In monotheism, there is a time to war and time to love, all by the same central controlling factor. This is more complete than being only a lover or a fighter, and is why most people do not choose to regress.

If we look at humans in terms of employment, employment opportunities is often set up in a specialty way. One is paid to be good at one thing. This can be a Doctor who deals with skin or a carpenter who only does framing. Specialization of labor is based on the polytheism model. One is not allowed to move too far beyond specialization, since that role is an important cog in a bigger machine.

Monotheism is like being a Jack of all Trades, which is more like the entrepreneur, who opens a small business. At first, he has to do all the jobs each day to help teach his employees, so all needed specializations can coordinate under one flag, for a successful business. When monotheism appeared, it took over these specialists, under one flag. The ancient Jewish Culture was successful due to the monotheistic coordination of its original specialization; tighter team with more utility players.

The Catholic Church has the dogma of the trinity where a single central God, is express through a Trinity of subroutines. These three subroutines are used situationally, by the central controlling factor, to help form a higher team. God the father makes one humble and obedient, like a child to a parent, so one is more receptive to learn. God the son, gives us an attitude of love and patience for others, since the child is only starting to learn. The Holy Spirit gives the attitude for free creative exchange, with those who are being animated by their own creative spirit. As Paul said, I became all things too all men so that I could save some.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Depends. You are describing modalism, not Trinitarianism.

No. I don't think so. Incarnation is the same as the source not different aspects of it.

For a lbw example. If you pray to Vishnu, you're still praying to God. I assume there is no difference to the devotee. Same with Trinity. They is no seperation just different roles.

I see it more unity as one and tri- (three as one). It's referring to unity of three people. That unity is god, rather than aspect of one god. Three persons as god by their unity.

Unless Christians for centuries are wrong, I do take them by their word lease when I practiced it made more sense. The eucharist is a good example of Trinity as well.

Here's something interesting I've found.

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Samael_Khan

Qigong / Yang Style Taijiquan / 7 Star Mantis
No. I don't think so. Incarnation is the same as the source not different aspects of it.

For a lbw example. If you pray to Vishnu, you're still praying to God. I assume there is no difference to the devotee. Same with Trinity. They is no seperation just different roles.

I see it more unity as one and tri- (three as one). It's referring to unity of three people. That unity is god, rather than aspect of one god. Three persons as god by their unity.

Unless Christians for centuries are wrong, I do take them by their word lease when I practiced it made more sense. The eucharist is a good example of Trinity as well.

Here's something interesting I've found.

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I have seen the first picture before which is the more accurate version of the Trinity. There are also two trinities, one Western and another Eastern Orthodox.

Christians were very varied in who they thought God is. A lot of Christians today confuse the concepts of the Trinity and Modalism because the idea is difficult to comprehend logically.

The Trinity is three persons and one essence, but coeternal and existing at the same time. To me it seems like a person who has schizophrenia, with all three personas in agreement and all being active at the same time.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Didn't the polytheists also harrass the monotheists because they were offended that they didn't worship other gods? I recall the Roman empire getting upset with the Jews and persecuting them for such a reason.
It's a bit more complicated. The Roman religion was mixed in with politics. The city financed the temples and feasts and got a part of the tithes. Mars, as the primary Roman god, got the most and biggest temples - and gave the most tithes. The Jews didn't go the Roman temples. The Jewish temples could have been made to pay a part of the tithes to the city (and that was done, more or less) but it was seen as offending to take from the Jewish temple more than from Mars.
So, essentially, the Jews were seen as stingy for giving only to one god.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Pluralism - or the acceptance that many traditions have good ideas or valid approaches to life and living - is prevalent in English-speaking cultures today. However, in spite of relatively tolerant and pluralistic attitudes, it seems there is still a very persistent prejudice against polytheism. This is very sad to see, and I can't help but wonder why
Intolerance of Polytheism: Why?

I think because certain religions have been brainwashing their adherents to believe this way. IF many are brainwashed THEN it's hard to reverse
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Although a majority of Christians today hold certain unbiblical beliefs that undermine their faith
Insisting that there are proofs demonstrates that you believe proofs are necessary, which means you don't accept the invisibility of God. You feel its important to be able to prove God exists, meaning you feel this is an attribute of God. If its necessary then its an attribute, see? This actually means you are nitpicking other Christians for believing in God in the classical way and not your newfangled way. In short you refuse to accept that God is invisible. This technically places you alongside Quintessence rather than distinguishing you.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Lots of good food for thought in this thread; at some point I hope to go through and properly respond to some of it... haha. To just get to a couple of things:

Does the fact that it gets less attention mean that there's greater intolerance? Or does it get less attention because the belief is less common?

That's a fair point. Globally, polytheism is still very common in spite of historical attempts to eliminate it. Those attempts were so successful in the English-speaking world that there's basically no dialogue about it. Theological discussions almost always center around monotheist theological assumptions, even when it is a discussion about atheism. And when polytheism does get brought up, in my experience it gets instantly shot down by both monotheists and atheists in various ways. :sweat:

You think the Trinity ISN'T polytheism?

Personally, I would consider the Trinity to be at most soft polytheism (or soft monotheism; potayto, potahto). Its presence does make Catholicism more compatible with indigenous religions - I suspect this is part of why we see quite a bit of syncretism between Catholicism and indigenous religions - but enough of the underlying theological assumptions are different that they're not the same beast. Still, there are some interesting connections to draw there.

Hmm. Can you explain what you mean by "English speaking cultures today"?

It's an inept way of trying to reference Western culture - the region where monotheism utterly dominates - but without being too presumptuous about the experiences of Western cultures that don't speak English, because I have little to no experience with them. That's all, really. It is a broad region, and it is a struggle to describe it. I don't know how to best do it.


What are the reasons which support the case for polytheism?

There are plenty, but it's not my intention to get into that with this thread. It suffices to say that all theological approaches are more or less coherent granting certain assumptions, and that includes polytheism. It has strengths and weaknesses like anything else, yet is often disregarded entirely as a non-starter.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
What are the reasons which support the case for polytheism?
First prove that 1 God exists
Next prove that n Gods exist

On RF nobody managed to convince a non-believer that 1 God exists
So, there is no reason whatsoever to even start with polytheism IMO
 
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