Iran admits to shooting down plane

[Revoltingest]

Thank you.
After giving this some thought, I no longer believe this had anything to do with nervous reactions.
I think this was retaliation by those who worshiped their assassinated hero.
The claim seems bogus.
For one thing, it was night - dark, so how was the plane's maneuvering detected?
Secondly, is this the first plane along this route, in all the history of Canadian flights?

I don't think so.
I think some who though Qassem Suleimani was their 'god' decided. "You know what... . Casualties don't need to be in uniform. This is war.

Just my opinion.

Iran would know that with around 1% of Canuckistanians being ethnic or ex-pat
Iranians, there'd be quite a few of them on board....& there were. Shooting down
this flight in retaliation would make no sense. Contrast this with Ameristan shooting
down Iran Air Flight 655....we downed it during daylight hours. Yet all acknowledge
that this was an accident.

 

[Milton Platt]

human error?
Really? Yeah right.
They just nervously thought it was a US bomber. IMO.

That would in fact constitute human error.....Stuff like this happens when people are shooting at each other...doesn't make it right, but there should be no surprise.

 

[nPeace]

Iran would know that with around 1% of Canuckistanians being ethnic or ex-pat
Iranians, there'd be quite a few of them on board....& there were. Shooting down
this flight in retaliation would bake no sense. Contrast this with Ameristan shooting
down Iran Air Flight 655....we downed it during daylight hours. Yet all acknowledge
that this was an accident.

Human nature does not always follow the rules of what makes sense.
When anger ensues, irrationality often ensues.
God knows. I don't, but it's my opinion.
If one can give me a good reason why they would claim they knew it was a plane, but thought the maneuverability looked suspicious, and then change the story... or was that Fake News?
If it wasn't, then if they gave satisfactory answers to the two questions, I might change my mind.

 

[esmith]

Iran would know that with around 1% of Canuckistanians being ethnic or ex-pat
Iranians, there'd be quite a few of them on board....& there were. Shooting down
this flight in retaliation would bake no sense. Contrast this with Ameristan shooting
down Iran Air Flight 655....we downed it during daylight hours. Yet all acknowledge
that this was an accident.

Nigh or day it doesn't matter because the range of the missile exceeds the range of the human eye and in today's surface to air engagements target identification is via radar not the human eye. Especially if the system is in full auto mode if so equipped. Something tells me the Russian Tor M1 missile system was in full auto mode.

 

[Shad]

The person who fired the missiles apparently thought it was an American cruise missile:

Iran's admission of guilt over plane crash sparks unrest in Tehran

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/11/iran-plane-crash-admission-sparks-unrest-in-tehran

Coming from Tehran airport....

The mind boggles as to them not securing the safety of planes taking off from their own airports.

Iran didn't as Iran wanted to create an incident. The problem was America didn't bite instead Iran messed up.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Coming from Tehran airport....



Iran didn't as Iran wanted to create an incident. The problem was America didn't bite instead Iran messed up.

You really think they would do this and risk getting caught?

 

[Shad]

You really think they would do this and risk getting caught?

Did Iran shut down commercial flight when it launched it's missiles? No it didn't. Ergo Iran wanted to see an incident otherwise it would have shutdown commercial travel. The only problem was Iran caused the incident instead of an American counter attack

 

[esmith]

Did Iran shut down commercial flight when it launched it's missiles? No it didn't. Ergo Iran wanted to see an incident otherwise it would have shutdown commercial travel. The only problem was Iran caused the incident instead of an American counter attack

Not exactly accurate.
The plane took off 5 hours after the attack. However, Iran should have closed their airspace for at least 24 hrs or longer

 

[Shad]

Thank you.
After giving this some thought, I no longer believe this had anything to do with nervous reactions.
I think this was retaliation by those who worshiped their assassinated hero.
The claim seems bogus.
For one thing, it was night - dark, so how was the plane's maneuvering detected?
Secondly, is this the first plane along this route, in all the history of Canadian flights?

I don't think so.
I think some who though Qassem Suleimani was their 'god' decided. "You know what... . Casualties don't need to be in uniform. This is war.

Just my opinion.

Also consider the weapon system used which as far as I know Iran didn't release information on. If using a Russian weapons platform often the crew has a duty to check ID as many Russian systems are incapable of determining FoF ID. So communications with a radar system or communications network for the defense area is routine. Shoulder mounted systems are even worse when it comes to ID

 

[Shad]

Not exactly accurate.
The plane took off 5 hours after the attack. However, Iran should have closed their airspace for at least 24 hrs or longer

Read my post again.

Did Iran shut down commercial traffic when it launched it's attack? Yes or No?
Did Iran shut down commercial traffic for an expected US counter-strike? Yes or No?

You combined two points into one time-frame when I stated no such thing. I said the reason for not doing either was in the hopes of creating an incident which could be blamed on the US. Instead an Iranian soldier(s) messed up because of policy determined above their pay grade.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Did Iran shut down commercial flight when it launched it's missiles? No it didn't. Ergo Iran wanted to see an incident otherwise it would have shutdown commercial travel. The only problem was Iran caused the incident instead of an American counter attack

That still doesn't preclude the possibility of an over-enthusiastic, yet inexperienced operator though - which is the more likely explanation.

 

[Shad]

That still doesn't preclude the possibility of an over-enthusiastic, yet inexperienced operator though - which is the more likely explanation.

I said Iran wanted an incident. I didn't say Iran shot it down on purpose. Read my post again.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I said Iran wanted an incident. I didn't say Iran shot it down on purpose. Read my post again.

Right.