Iran: misguided patriotism or dangerous fanaticism?

[greatcalgarian]

After reading this, do you still believe that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map with their nuke they are going to develop?

Iran’s nuclear case in a general view:


It is related to the past,
It is related to the present,
It is related to future conditions.
What is related to the past if there are any questions Iran is committed to answer them, and we sent a letter to IAEA and announced that we are ready to work out a modality on the condition that Iran’s case returns to the IAEA. In other words we have commitments in this part and we are responsible to them.

But regarding to what is related to the present, not only nuclear activities of Iran are under the supervision of IAEA and their inspections are going on, but also Mr. Al Bradae and the Europeans know that the current situation of Iran is continuing with the supervision of IAEA and is in the framework of NPT and safeguards.

The main concerns of those who talk with me is related to the future. Some of them frankly said that they could not accept that even Iran reaches to peaceful nuclear knowledge, because they were concerned about futures wrongdoings.

These comments are surprising. These kinds of justifications cannot be found in international laws, that before crimes have been committed, some are already looking for punishment. But at the same time in response to the incentive package and also in our negotiations with Mr. Solana we said that we are ready to have all of our nuclear activities in a consortium so that others can participate in our activities and as the result we build confidence. Despite the fact that according to the international arrangements we are not obliged to do so, but to prove our good intention we are ready to do so. What is wrong with this logic? Does the attitude of the other side not create suspicion that either we should act like Israel and have the atomic bomb and not accept NPT, or if we act in the framework of IAEA and NPT they are not going to consider rights for us?

Repeatedly we announced frankly that in Iran’s National Security Doctrine there is no room for atomic and chemical weapons and we consider them against the Islamic laws. The Supreme leader of Iran in this connection released a decree that weapons of mass destruction are prohibited religiously. Besides, we know that Iran’s action in this way will trigger an atomic arms race in the region which as a result will endanger the peace and stability of the region and the world. Therefore we support the idea of a Middle East free from weapons of mass destruction.

 

[greatcalgarian]

Then let us read what Israel said in the same conference:

http://www.securityconference.de/ko...nu_2007=&menu_konferenzen=&sprache=en&id=177&

Speaker: Livni, Tzipi
Function: Vice Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs, Member of Knesset, State of Israel
Nation/
Organization: Israel


Audio:


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Speech at the 43rd Munich Conference on Security Policy
02/09/2007


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[pete29]

It's true that the Bush administration is the worst administration in the history of the Unites States, by far. There is little dispute about that, even from people who voted for Bush, and idiotically would do so again. But I didn't vote for Gore, nor did I vote for Kerry. They wouldn't have been the unmitigated disaster that Bush has been, but they wouldn't have addressed our real problems, either. Which is why I didn't vote for them.

What are we doing wrong? What are we doing RIGHT? We have allowed our culture to become little else but the worship of stupidity and greed. And our government reflects that. Everything in the United States reflects that. We think exploitation is commerce. We think wealth is the ability to be fully and completely selfish. We think the Earth is here for us to exploit, abuse, and rob for the sake of profits. We think patriotism is a bunch of beer-swilling rednecks waving flags and tearing up over some pathetic country song. We think freedom can be forced on people from the barrel of a gun, which is of course oppression, and not freedom at all. We think anyone who thinks different from us is a threat, because we aren't really thinking, at all. We spread our culture of greed and willful ignorance all over the world and then we wonder why other nations don't like us, even though we give them money. We elected Bush, twice, and are proud of it. We invaded another country and have killed and maimed hundreds of thousands of people and we don't even know why we did it. And now that we've created this monumental mess, there, we don't know how to fix it, or even how to end it.

Here at home we have huge corporations, run by a few very wealthy people, gouging and exploiting their fellow citizens for all they can get. The oil companies, the drug companies, the insurance companies, the utility companies, the banks, all gouging their fellow citizens to extract maximum profits, with no thought at all of the suffering they cause people, or the damage to the nation's economic and physical health and well-being, or of anything else. It's all about short term maximum profits. When companies can't squeeze maximum profits out of their factories here in the U.S., because their laborers have access to labor laws and protections, they move to other countries and exploit their people, all to maximize profits, while putting so many of their own fellow citizens out of work. They bribe politicians to give them tax breaks, and to even make the taxpaying public subsidize their profiteering. And the politicians take the bribes, because they, too, are maximizing their profits.

Everything that happens in the United States happens because someone is maximizing their profits, and much of what happens is stupid, selfish, and destructive. But we accept this all as normal because we think greed is a good motive for human behavior. We don't even question it anymore. And anyone who dares to question it will quickly and viciously be smeared and slandered by the professional liars owned by the very wealthy, to help them maintain the status quo.

My question is, why aren't you outraged? Why are you buying into the slander machine's "divide and conquer" strategy of turning liberals and conservatives into each other's "bogey men"? Don't you see that they own both political parties, and they control who you get to vote for, so they'll get their way regardless? Can't you see that they're trying to make you hate the "other guy" (no matter who that is) so they can get you to vote for their outrageously bad candidate (no matter who that is)? They don't care who wins, as long as they can keep controlling who's running on both sides. And they do that by getting you to vote for their bad candidate by making you vote against the other bad candidate. All the candidates are bad, because they own them all. That's the whole point of their game. They continue to rob us all blind while we continue to vote for their poor candidates by getting us to hate the other guy more. And they do that by lying, and by playing on our prejudices.

I disagree, the Carter administration was absolutely terrible. Double digit inflation, double digit unemployment. Hostages in Iran, a bungled rescue attempt that the 3 stooges could have done better. A mideast peace initiative that cost Anwar Sadat his life and did little else.
Worship stupidity and greed? How about worshiping unbridled sex, slander, absolute hatred of anyone who disagrees with you, ( I give you Rosie O'Donnell, Bill Mahr, and Al Franken as examples). These are liberal values.
Why are you buying into the slander machine by spewing your hatred of Bush.