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Iran publishes book on how to outwit US and destroy Israel

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
1. Why there is no direct link (official iraninan source) for what you call iranian leader work.

Are you implying that the book is or could perhaps be a forgery? Or maybe just the claim of its authorship?


2. when are we going to reach a deal regarding the Israel Nukes.

That is indeed a good question. Nuclear weapons are very much the proverbial Pandora's box, and I fear the USA attitude towards them and Iran is not really very rational.


3. Any logical person can see how weak is the argument that Iran is planning to destroy Israel.

Even the most logical person needs reliable information and, if at all possible, independent confirmation in order to feel reassured.

Recent history is anything but reassuring, albeit to a very large extent for faults not of Iran.


Israel is living in its best time...
The west is bowing to it.
The Sunnis are don't care anymore about it.
The Shiites are minority among the Muslism and are ander attack from the Sunni extremists...

I said it before... it your time to joy oh daughter of zion :)

This is not very reassuring, you realize.
 

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
Are you implying that the book is or could perhaps be a forgery? Or maybe just the claim of its authorship?

It is not difficult to find out that the Iranian people have been treated unjustly for decades...

Before their revolution in 1979, they were ruled by a dictator who was supported by the whole world...

They needed to face the whole wold in order to depose their dictator...

They may made a mistake by trusting the Sunni Muslim countries...

Iran supported the Sunnis against Israel...However the Sunni countries stabbed the Iranian in the back and made a hidden alliance with Israel ...It may not be that hidden..

The mainstream media tend to portray the Iranians as unlogic people who support terrorism...However events tend to prove that the allies of the west in the region are the real supporters of terrorism..

The Jewish stately openly threatens to attack Iran, with no response from the world...and Yet this Jewish state claim that Iran is the source of danger...

It may be true that the west will remain more close to the Jewish state than it is to the Muslim world, no matter what.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
@Shia Islam : I have to agree that the image of Iran as a haven of dangerous irrational people _is_ dangerously widespread and used as justification for actions and judgements that should not have been.

Also, I don't think it is reasonable to expect the Muslim world, as you call it, to enjoy a lot of trust from non-Muslims. Not while it makes a point of being so politically motivated and so theocentric, at least (which sure _seems_ to mean ever).
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Have you listened to some of the stuff coming from the USA leadership? Do you remember the President's "Axis of Evil" speech, followed shortly by war? Do you remember when Congress sent a letter to Teheran letting them know that the next President might ignore the treaty? Do you realise that Jeb Bush, a frontrunner in the presidential race, is from the same family that has had it in for Iran for many years?

Never said the US is any better. Frankly it has broken more international laws than many nations it has declared "evil"

Iran is not the only country run by extremists.
Tom

Tu quoque
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Never said the US is any better. Frankly it has broken more international laws than many nations it has declared "evil"
In that case, I am not really referring to you. I was just responding to one post you made.
But I commonly hear arguments that assume a tacit position that the USA is a moral player on the world stage when it isn't. Arguments in favor of bombing the diaper heads back to the stone age and such.
Sorry if I confused you with an enormous number of Usonians.

And it is not a tu quoque argument. But I do feel better prepared to criticise USA policies than most places because I have lived here for nearly sixty years.
Tom
 

Shad

Veteran Member
In that case, I am not really referring to you. I was just responding to one post you made.
But I commonly hear arguments that assume a tacit position that the USA is a moral player on the world stage when it isn't. Arguments in favor of bombing the diaper heads back to the stone age and such.
Sorry if I confused you with an enormous number of Usonians.

Do not get me wrong, I agree that the USA often uses a false image on the world stage as a norm for the last few decades. I just think people to realize the world is dealing with an Ayatollah that has used violence against his own people. Likewise as per your comment not pretend the USA is some paragon of virtue.

And it is not a tu quoque argument. But I do feel better prepared to criticise USA policies than most places because I have lived here for nearly sixty years.
Tom[/QUOTE]

Yes it was since it was a direct response that the other side is just as bad thereby side stepping my point.

Studying the past few decades of US history is enough to come to the same conclusion as your years living in the USA. We both see the writing on the wall so to speak.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Studying the past few decades of US history is enough to come to the same conclusion as your years living in the USA. We both see the writing on the wall so to speak.

As far as I can see, we nearly agree. The main difference I see is that you are attributing moral parity to the USA and Iran. I don't.
I see the USA as far far worse. The policies based on using violence and deception to further greed are beyond anything that Iran has ever even been accused of implementing.
Tom
 

Shad

Veteran Member
As far as I can see, we nearly agree. The main difference I see is that you are attributing moral parity to the USA and Iran. I don't.
I see the USA as far far worse. The policies based on using violence and deception to further greed are beyond anything that Iran has ever even been accused of implementing.
Tom

That was not my intention. It is just very hard to take the nuclear talks seriously when one side is proclaiming it's goals in books and the other has divisions in it's own government on CSPAN proclaiming their intent to prevent any comprise.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I understand, Jay, but what I find incredulous is that people think that they can make a "deal" with this sort of person. It seriously defies logic.
The old "you can't reason with those people"
speaks only of someone's shutting their mind
to the possibilities.
Consider...
We needn't reason with people we agree with.
It's the people we disagree with who require
our being engaging, considerate, & reasonable.
It's how one can find compromise, & avoid
hostilities.
How to reason with Iran?
First thing I'd do as Prez is apologize for the
1953 coup we staged. Then for aiding Iraq
with biological, chemical, & other weapons
to kill hundreds of thousand of Iranians.
This would get their attention, & feeling
that....hey, maybe we can find peace with
these folk after all.
Then negotiate with Israel to stop attacking
Iranians, in exchange for Iran stopping attacks
on Israel.
And so on.
 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
I just ran across this minor work by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei that has just been published in Iran. Given that this is the thinking of the Supreme Leader of Iran how seriously do you think we can take any deal that he has the final say on?

The timing of this is also a bit stunning. You would think the would choose this time to publish love sonnets to Allah or something along those lines, but such an "in your face" work while "western powers" think they actually have tamed them and brought us all closer to peace? Seriously?

Iran publishes book on how to outwit US and destroy Israel



What do you think?
I think it's understandable to vent, when you're frustrated with your own impotency and failure. The Iranian people, need western support, to help overthrow their theocratic dictatorship.
 
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