Wirey
Fartist
Tehran protests prompted by tumbling currency - Business - CBC News
Well, the sanctions are working.
Well, the sanctions are working.
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Iranian Financial Meltdown Beginning
- Thread starter Wirey
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I suppose that depends on what "working" means.
Do we want to cause financial woe, & create internal instability?
Or do we want the to knuckle under & abandon their nuclear program?
I doubt whether the first result will lead to the second.
Do we want to cause financial woe, & create internal instability?
Or do we want the to knuckle under & abandon their nuclear program?
I doubt whether the first result will lead to the second.
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Dingbat
Avatar of Brittania
Agreed, the problem with creating instability is you are gambling for a better outcome. Most of the time the exact opposite happens and hardliners take control. I mean sure I hope for a more democratic and open Iran but I don't see it happening in this manner.
The other problem is that Khamenei, Amadinajab, and the Revolutionary Guards are not likely to be the folks going without food.
Dingbat
Avatar of Brittania
Exactly, the people whose policies you are upset with are never going to be the ones suffering from such economic measures. It is always the common citizen who suffers and will likely create even more distrust of the West. It just reinforces the idea that the West is out to get them. There are times I just weep for humanity.
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esmith
Veteran Member
Although I don't see a change in government in the near future in Iran, I really don't think you can get more "hardliners" than the ones in power now. Or course, I could be wrong and a real radical element takes over and attempts to blockade the Straits, turn Hezbollah, Hamas, Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigades, and other Iranian supported terrorist groups completely loose. Of course there are those that say this will happen if Iran is physically attacked.
Alceste
Vagabond
Such questions presume that they actually have a nuclear weapons program. There's not much evidence this is the case.
Iran and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
IMO, what "working" means is that the sanctions are destabilizing Iran, which could open a regime change window during which Western energy interests aspire to buy themselves some new puppet dictators to replace those they lost in Egypt and Libya.
Zoe Doidge
Basically a Goddess
Yep, it's a risky move on our part. If people in Iran get ****** off enough to overthrow the government or the government caves in then it can be said to have worked. If not then it's just causing suffering.
Still, better their civilians than our troops, and I've not seen anyone come up with a better idea.
Greetings!
Could you clarify your post? (I'm having trouble discerning your meaning.)
Something is lost in translation.
F0uad
Well-Known Member
The point he was making if i get this correctly is that the government of Iran is elected, chosen by the people so why promote democracy on one hand if you guys want to force the government out on the other hand.
Sanctions is one of the most stupid thing you can do look at Cuba did anything change? Nope. By making the people poor you just upset the population and the government can use it against you to promote more hatred among its civilians.
At the end of the day America will fail again with its foreign policies it even effects innocent people in Iran. GOOD JOB AMERICA! and they wonder why people hate them
Sanctions is one of the most stupid thing you can do look at Cuba did anything change? Nope. By making the people poor you just upset the population and the government can use it against you to promote more hatred among its civilians.
At the end of the day America will fail again with its foreign policies it even effects innocent people in Iran. GOOD JOB AMERICA! and they wonder why people hate them
The point he was making if i get this correctly is that the government of Iran is elected, chosen by the people so why promote democracy on one hand if you guys want to force the government out on the other hand.
Sanctions is one of the most stupid thing you can do look at Cuba did anything change? Nope. By making the people poor you just upset the population and the government can use it against you to promote more hatred among its civilians.
At the end of the day America will fail again with its foreign policies it even effects innocent people in Iran. GOOD JOB AMERICA! and they wonder why people hate them
Well, the government and patriots/nationalists do.
I don't wonder at all, and have no love for American's current imperialist regime. But financial woes and familial obligations keep me here for the time being.
True dat.The point he was making if i get this correctly is that the government of Iran is elected, chosen by the people so why promote democracy on one hand if you guys want to force the government out on the other hand.
Sanctions is one of the most stupid thing you can do look at Cuba did anything change? Nope. By making the people poor you just upset the population and the government can use it against you to promote more hatred among its civilians.
At the end of the day America will fail again with its foreign policies it even effects innocent people in Iran. GOOD JOB AMERICA! and they wonder why people hate them
But I don't wonder why they (not all) hate us.
I wonder why we don't learn from failure.
Perhaps failure itself is acceptable, since the wielding of power is itself the real agenda.
F0uad
Well-Known Member
Agrees
In all likelihood, the sanctions are disproportionately hurting the wrong people, while the people they are ostensibly targeted at suffer much less or not at all. Regimes, such as Cuba, have a way of enduring such sanctions even when their people suffer immensely as a consequence of them.