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Iranian Nuclear Weapons Program halted in 20003

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
So what about Isreal Luke? Are you fine with a second holocaust?
There is really not much the US army can do about Iran. A front in Afghanistan and Iraq have left the numbers thin as they are. Add a large number of troops wanting out and a low number of new recruits, and you have a recipe for total disaster if a front is opened in Iran. Especially considering the only way to get enough troops to efficiently fight a third front would be to reinstate the draft. How such a war would be financed I have no idea.
As cold as it may sound, a nations best interests are to take care of her own people first.

I do however think it does to Israel, not enough to warrant invasion, but a threat to be monitored.
Even if they are just a threat to be monitored, it is still much better than war.

How very comforting that you would think so ...
I do know if I was the leader of a nation, and some other nation told me what to do, I wouldn't be to happy either.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The Air Force on the other hand....
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Ok.....the armed forced in general. The Air Force can launch a strike and take out most communications, but an all out air to surface war would be far too costly to wage.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Not if we just nuked 'em
Have you ever heard of the term "Mutually Assured Destruction?" This basically means if you drop a nuke, expect them to be dropped on you. And with China in a position to destroy the American economy, and Russia rebuilding it's military strength, you really have to consider the consequences of how those two nations would effect America if such a move is made. It would be very possible that if a nuke is dropped on Iran, a new Cold War would begin, with China dumping it's bonds in American dollars, and a fourth front opens with Russia. Three or four war fronts while in a state of economical depression would not be good. Plus, you also have to consider how Korea would react. That is another potential fifth front. It's unlikely China would go to war, but if they decided to since it would be a very easy war for them (and they could take credit for being one of the nations that defeated America), that is a potential sixth front. And it would be a war here at home long before that many fronts are opened. We would also loose the support of even more allies. Dropping a nuke on any Middle Eastern front is the most unwise thing anyone could do right now. Or really at any time.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Have you ever heard of the term "Mutually Assured Destruction?" This basically means if you drop a nuke, expect them to be dropped on you. And with China in a position to destroy the American economy, and Russia rebuilding it's military strength, you really have to consider the consequences of how those two nations would effect America if such a move is made. It would be very possible that if a nuke is dropped on Iran, a new Cold War would begin, with China dumping it's bonds in American dollars, and a fourth front opens with Russia. Three or four war fronts while in a state of economical depression would not be good.
While economic warfare is possible it is somewhat unlikely that that would ever happen given that the American economy affects all other economies on the planet. China would have a lot of very ticked off customers on its hands if it did anything of this nature. Not forgetting of course that the American's themselves would go right through the roof. Russia on the other hand is simply in no position to get in a protracted battle with the US on any front aside from which the Russian people are just now beginning to see the light of day for the first time in decades. The people of Russian would lynch any government members who rallied support for conflict with America. Plus, is the European Union just sitting back counting diminishing Euro's? I think not.

Plus, you also have to consider how Korea would react.
North or South? South Korea knows which side its bread is buttered on and North Korea doesn't have enough cold hard cash to launch any real offensive.

That is another potential fifth front. It's unlikely China would go to war, but if they decided to since it would be a very easy war for them, that is a potential sixth front.
A very unlikely scenario, Luke Wolf, simply because Communist China would lose all the credibility it has worked so hard to build up over these last few years, aside from destroying their own economy in the process.

And it would be a war here at home long before that many fronts are opened.
It would depend on the circumstances, Luke. If George W. ordered it this afternoon, the results would be riots in the streets. The American people would go bonkers. However, if a new administration experienced another 9/11 class "event", then all bets are off.

We would also loose the support of even more allies.
It would depend on the circumstances AND how much notice the allies were given in advance.

Dropping a nuke on any Middle Eastern front is the most unwise thing anyone could do right now. Or really at any time.
That is breathtakingly obvious Luke.

Ok, ok... how about the scenario of Iran dropping multiple nukes on Isreal? What do you see as the repercussions of that? Might make for an interesting new thread.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
North or South? South Korea knows which side its bread is buttered on and North Korea doesn't have enough cold hard cash to launch any real offensive.
I honestly do not remember which direction. I believe North, all I remember is the one Bush said "No nuclear energy" to awhile ago.

The American people would go bonkers. However, if a new administration experienced another 9/11 class "event", then all bets are off.
Very approximately half of the American people are already going bonkers. Some people even went as far to commit suicide upon Bush's reelection, and an official new syndrome was coined, which was called "post election selection trauma." That is going abit too far, IMO, but it was still there.

But, I do not posses much faith in any major world powers right now. China making it clear they can wipe out the American economy, Russia testing the worlds most powerful bomb, Iran's president saying he doesn't want to accept the American dollar for oil trade, and plenty more who are probably counting down the seconds until Bush is out of office just as much as many Americans are. While a nuclear strike has many possible scenarios, I do not see any of them having a 'favorable' outcome.

Ok, ok... how about the scenario of Iran dropping multiple nukes on Isreal? What do you see as the repercussions of that? Might make for an interesting new thread.
That would make for an interesting thread. If that was the case, I do not see China, Russia, or Korea really bothering to get involved.
 

yossarian22

Resident Schizophrenic
I honestly do not remember which direction. I believe North, all I remember is the one Bush said "No nuclear energy" to awhile ago.
North. They hate the US anyways
Very approximately half of the American people are already going bonkers.
Not really.

Some people even went as far to commit suicide upon Bush's reelection, and an official new syndrome was coined, which was called "post election selection trauma." That is going abit too far, IMO, but it was still there.
What? So, their candidate did not get chosen, so they killed themselves?
But, I do not posses much faith in any major world powers right now. China making it clear they can wipe out the American economy,
Won't. Economic war is a dead concept, at least against the US. Crash the US, you crash the world. No country could ride it out
Russia testing the worlds most powerful bomb,
Please. Russia is not exactly a world pwer anymore. Sukhoi production plants are being retooled for cars. Russia could care less about the rest of the world now. All it should look at is the Arctic Circle and Siberia.
Iran's president saying he doesn't want to accept the American dollar for oil trade,
Hah. Good luck with that...
Didn't Saudi Arabia have a similar plan? Create a Middle Eastern version of the euro based on the gold standard? That turned out well
and plenty more who are probably counting down the seconds until Bush is out of office just as much as many Americans are. While a nuclear strike has many possible scenarios, I do not see any of them having a 'favorable' outcome.
Nukes are unneeded. We could just use the girth of Cold War ordinance lying around, assuming they haven't decayed into buckets of rust.

That would make for an interesting thread. If that was the case, I do not see China, Russia, or Korea really bothering to get involved.
China would. Its in their interest to keep the area stable. A nuclear war is not going to be good for business. Russia could care less. Might worry about the fallout. Oil? Not so much. And Korea? Come on... South Korea is in the US's pocket and North Korea is not exactly a nation to be feared. They barely have electricity.
 
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