Iraq Wall

[Laila]

The U.S. military are constructing a wall in Iraq to separate the sunni muslims from the shia muslims. What a disgrace separating brother from brother and sister from sister. Shouldn't the U.S. be stopped?
They illegally invaded Iraq and now they are causing a physical barrier of segregation between the sects; the old divide and rule law in action.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6577529.stm

What are your thoughts?

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

The whole thing is bogus as you pointed out. They invaded Iraq illegaly and are now going on to seperate them creating even more angst between them. Personally i think they have hyped up the aggression between muslims there to be more than what it is. I am sure there is a schism among them as it has been for some time now, but I refuse to believe that only now since the US has been involved have they decided to ruthlessly kill one another. Those muslims have been living in that country for a long time, and if they were wiping each other out like this the whole time, there wouldn't be anyone left. Suffice it to say though that I highly doubt much of what is broadcast on mainstream media.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In all honesty, it reminded me of the Berlin Wall. It's a shame that America is now propagating what it fought against not too long ago.

What are some of the major differences between the Sunni and Shia that would cause anyone to think such a separation is necessary? I know the media claims one group wants to reform Iraq, while the other is completly against the reforms, but that is all I know.

 

[lombas]

invaded Iraq illegaly

Any war or invasion is illegal unless (the regimes of) both countries approve it and then still it isn't legitimate.

 

[lombas]

What are some of the major differences between the Sunni and Shia that would cause anyone to think such a separation is necessary?

Some would say: the bombs they are throwing at each other, but that would be a generalization of facts.

Still, some truth in it. The Berlin Wall wanted to keep people in. Normal walls are meant for people to stay out. The "Iraq Wall" would be build to keep people out. Therefore, it would serve the normal function of a wall.

Nevertheless, it would be yet another foreign intervention.

 

[The Seeker]

The PM of Iraq has ordered a stop to this wall. Did we decide to build this wall on our own or was the PM notified in advance?

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

It's a thread somewhere around here dealing with the shia/sunni issue. It's too long to go into right now, or it could be that I'm too lazy to go into it. Anywho, I don't claim to know the details either. Anything we hear over here is fifth hand news anyway, so we'd have to pick through to see what makes sense and what doesn't. It just seems odd to me that there is suddenly that much killing and strife among them now. I think people over there pretty much collectively wanted Sadam gone, so I don't see his toppling as a reason for escalated fighting. Moreover I have no doubt that they live more harmoniously than what's being portrayed to us, simply because they have been occupying the same space for a long while. Certainly there are disagreements stemming from various political and religious differences, so I'm not gonna try to paint a picture of roses either. There's something happening, but I just can't fathom it being so bad that a wall has gotta go up. To me its just silly and sad.

I would wager it to be more a struggle to gain political power between political enemies, to fill the void rather than any real concern over religion. I doubt that the common people are concerned with that seeing as how they are probably preoccupied with making some kind of living, and picking up the pieces of their lives what with being bombed and all.

 

[des]

It's one of the typical Bush cronies activities. Honestly they have made so many mistakes in Iraq (aside from the initial invasion) that Iraq will take decades to get over it. They make a unilateral (apparently) decision, without any (or enough) input from the citizens of Iraq and then are surprised, apparently, because of protests.


--des

 

[TashaN]

Many of the bombing overthere were planned by the american army. There is one incident when they saw american soldeirs wearing Iraqi civilian clothes, and trying to do some suspicious things, then when people discovered them, they escaped.

 

[UnityNow101]

Truth..I really find that hard to believe, with all due respect. Why would there be Americans trying to stir up the Shia/Sunni hatred? The Bush Administration wants to turn a blind eye to the violence and would like it to die down as the violence between sects is what is causing Congress to call for withdrawal from Iraq. I believe that the wall was built to try and stop the killing between the Sunni and Shia, as it is this very violence between the two that is hurting the Bush Administration's policies over there. Without the violence between the two sects, some Americans may see this as a war against the 9/11 terrorists, which is what the Bush Administration has wanted people to blindly believe all along. The violence between Sunni and Shia is what is hurting George's cause, not helping it in the least...

 

[TashaN]

Truth..I really find that hard to believe, with all due respect. Why would there be Americans trying to stir up the Shia/Sunni hatred? The Bush Administration wants to turn a blind eye to the violence and would like it to die down as the violence between sects is what is causing Congress to call for withdrawal from Iraq. I believe that the wall was built to try and stop the killing between the Sunni and Shia, as it is this very violence between the two that is hurting the Bush Administration's policies over there. Without the violence between the two sects, some Americans may see this as a war against the 9/11 terrorists, which is what the Bush Administration has wanted people to blindly believe all along. The violence between Sunni and Shia is what is hurting George's cause, not helping it in the least...

You are very mistaken, it's helping them alot in term of Bush admin. agendas.

If there is peace between the brothers in Iraq so both, the americans and the Iraqis will see no need for America's army to stay there anymore and they would have no excuse to stay absolutely.

I had a link for that incident which i mentioned and i posted it somewhere in RF but i have to remember where.

 

[UnityNow101]

But Congress is looking at the Shia/Sunni sectarian violence and saying that it is the #1 reason why are soldiers must begin withdrawing from Iraq..So, if the violence would stop, there would be no way that that argument could be made. In no way can it be said that the Bush Administration wants all of this chaos..There highly-touted democratic Iraq is falling apart right before their eyes. With sectarian peace, Bush declares victory. With sectarian unrest, Congress sets a deadline for troop withdrawal. What do you think that Bush would like?

 

[TashaN]

But Congress is looking at the Shia/Sunni sectarian violence and saying that it is the #1 reason why are soldiers must begin withdrawing from Iraq.

But, Peace in Iraq is even much more dangerous to Bush admin. because both, the American public and the Iraqis will find no reason for USA army to stay because at that time, they can elect who ever they want and rebuild their country by themselves.

Bush can play it in smart way if there is violence and he can delay the withdrawing as what happeend recently when he wanted fund from the Congress then they asked him to come up with a specific time for withdrawing from Iraq but he refused that, but if there was peace in Iraq, he would have no more choices but to withdraw.

In no way can it be said that the Bush Administration wants all of this chaos.

I posted a reply last year in one of the threads and thank God i found it, because what i have said wasn't just an opinion but a FACT.

You can read the whole post in this link below:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33723&page=2

Post # 67.

The one we need right now in this thread is this one:

Is Iraq Civil War By Design?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/010306civilwar.htm

After you read this link tell me what do you think.

Thanks in advance.


Peace and blessing,

TT

 

[UnityNow101]

Hey Truth..You know how to get to me, huh? You throw an Alex Jones link down at the bottom because you know that I will not deny Mr Jones' news posted on PrisonPlanet..LOL. I am not quite sure if I believe it though because I just don't see how it helps Bush or the Republicans..I guess that Haliburton would benefit from the further destruction of Iraq so that they continue to rebuild and make money off of the country. But the more this war goes downhill, the more that George Bush's numbers drop and the Republicans lose footing with the American people. Much love for the PrisonPlanet link though..Keep them coming brother.

 

[TashaN]

Hey Truth..You know how to get to me, huh? You throw an Alex Jones link down at the bottom because you know that I will not deny Mr Jones' news posted on PrisonPlanet..LOL.

Just i was so lucky to find it.

I am not quite sure if I believe it though because I just don't see how it helps Bush or the Republicans..I guess that Haliburton would benefit from the further destruction of Iraq so that they continue to rebuild and make money off of the country. But the more this war goes downhill, the more that George Bush's numbers drop and the Republicans lose footing with the American people. Much love for the PrisonPlanet link though..Keep them coming brother.

Well, i don't know everything about this issue, what i know is so limited, i can assume alot of stuff but i don't really think hardly about it and share it with others unless i have a source for my information. However, i always try to search for the unavilable facts for general public and simple people who have compromised by the various kinds of distractions which the news posses everyday.

Finally, i would like to say that i'm really impressed with your honesty, you are indeed a brave man because so many people these days deny any fact which might goes against them or their country.

 

[Laila]

Any war or invasion is illegal unless (the regimes of) both countries approve it and then still it isn't legitimate.

we all know what we mean by the word 'illegal' in this context. The public were duped (certainly the British public) into believing the story about weapons of mass destruction.

 

[Laila]

Still, some truth in it. The Berlin Wall wanted to keep people in. Normal walls are meant for people to stay out. The "Iraq Wall" would be build to keep people out. Therefore, it would serve the normal function of a wall.

Nevertheless, it would be yet another foreign intervention.

The Berlin wall separated east and west Europe for 28 years. Building 'walls' is never a solution. Has the U.S. liberated these Iraqi's? I'm sure the Iraqi's would disagree. In fact they are strongly opposed to the wall.

 

[lombas]

The Berlin wall separated east and west Europe for 28 years. Building 'walls' is never a solution. Has the U.S. liberated these Iraqi's? I'm sure the Iraqi's would disagree. In fact they are strongly opposed to the wall.

I'm against the war and against (the government) building walls, I just wanted to say that this wall would be build for another purpose than the Berlin Wall.

 

[Laila]

Iraq should be given back to the Iraqi's. They should have full control over how they wish to run the country including full control of their 'own' oil. I'm sure much of the British public would agree with me when I say the troops must withdraw; enough lives have been lost already.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The Bush Administration wants to turn a blind eye to the violence and would like it to die down as the violence between sects is what is causing Congress to call for withdrawal from Iraq.

Bush has already said he will veto any bill that mentions any withdrawel plans or time tables. It would seem as if he wants thier to be fighting.

The violence between Sunni and Shia is what is hurting George's cause, not helping it in the least...

Could you explain this? It seems to me if they weren't fighting each other, Bush wouldn't have his terrorist/insurgents to fight.