Irish Woman Dies When Denied Abortion

[Drolefille]

no, it isn't.
Abortion Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth | After Abortion

Notice where your source comes from
Abortion Safer for Women Than Childbirth, Study Claims - US News and World Report

Look, modern research!

The risk of death associated with a full-term pregnancy and delivery is 8.8 deaths per 100,000, while the risk of death linked to legal abortion is 0.6 deaths per 100,000 women, according to the study. That means a woman carrying a baby to term is 14 times more likely to die than a woman who chooses to have a legal abortion, the study finds.
"Regardless of one's sentiments about abortion, legal abortion is very safe, and dramatically safer than continuing the pregnancy," said the study's lead author, Dr. David Grimes, a clinical professor in the department of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of North Carolina School of Medicine at Chapel Hill.

Grimes and his colleagues had several reasons for undertaking the study, published in the February issue of Obstetrics & Gynecology. One is that medical abortion, in which a woman can take a pill early in pregnancy, instead of surgical abortion, "has changed the landscape of abortion, and the mortality information needed to be updated."

 

[idea]

If you call that a respectable source, it's no wonder you're anti-choice.

1. Gissler, M., et. al., “Pregnancy-associated deaths in Finland 1987-1994 — definition problems and benefits of record linkage,” Acta Obsetricia et Gynecolgica Scandinavica 76:651-657 (1997). 2. Mika Gissler, Elina Hemminki, Jouko Lonnqvist, “Suicides after pregnancy in Finland: 1987-94: register linkage study” British Medical Journal 313:1431-4, 1996.
3. McFadden, A., “The Link Between Abortion and Child Abuse,” Family Resources Center News (January 1998) 20.
4. S. J. Drower, & E. S. Nash, “Therapeutic Abortion on Psychiatric Grounds,” South African Medical Journal 54:604-608, Oct. 7, 1978; B. Jansson, Acta Psychiatrica Scandinavia 41:87, 1965.
5. David Reardon, “Psychological Reactions Reported After Abortion,” The Post-Abortion Review, 2(3):4-8, Fall 1994; Anne C. Speckhard, The Psychological Aspects of Stress Following Abortion (Kansas City: Sheed & Ward, 1987); Vincent Rue, “Traumagenic Aspects of Elective Abortion: Preliminary Findings from an International Study” Healing Visions Conference, June 22, 1996.
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19. D. Berkeley, P.L. Humphreys, and D. Davidson, “Demands Made on General Practice by Women Before and After an Abortion,” J. R. Coll. Gen. Pract. 34:310-315, 1984. 20. Philip G. Ney, Tak Fung, Adele Rose Wickett and Carol Beaman-Dodd, “The Effects of Pregnancy Loss on Women’s Health,” Soc. Sci. Med. 48(9):1193-1200, 1994.
21. Gissler, et.al. (1997) 652.


... etc. etc.

medical journals aren't reputable sources?

 

[dgirl1986]

click on the link -
Abortion Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth | After Abortion

read all the studies - abortion is very risky business.

Interesting. My ex step mum had many abortions she told me about (which I was horrified at) and she was fine.

I know of two other people who had abortions for health reasons, oh look...they fine too.

 

[Drolefille]

click on the link -
Abortion Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth | After Abortion

read all the studies - abortion is very risky business.

Read a study in a medical journal and not from an anti-abortion website.
Also your page is 12 years old, the study I linked is less than a year old.

This is like people who quote anti-gay stats from Focus on the Family. You think there might be a bias?

 

[Sunstone]

medical journals aren't reputable sources?

Depends on the medical journal. I would expect a college educated person, such as yourself, to be aware of that point.

 

[Me Myself]

Its not the same thing. Not even close and it isnt about anger. Maybe it is something you should read up on, get aquainted with.

I notice you didnt address the last line in my post.

It´s an analogy and it doesn´t have to be about anger. It is a strong very understandable emotion that would make innocents pay if you allowed it to come to fruit.

about the last line, doesn´t US have way to deal with that?

If anything, there is adoption I would presume.

 

[Storm]

If anything, there is adoption I would presume.

Because there aren't enough unwanted children in the world?

 

[Drolefille]

1. Gissler, M., et. al., “Pregnancy-associated deaths in Finland 1987-1994 — definition problems and benefits of record linkage,” Acta Obsetricia et Gynecolgica Scandinavica 76:651-657 (1997). 2. Mika Gissler, Elina Hemminki, Jouko Lonnqvist, “Suicides after pregnancy in Finland: 1987-94: register linkage study” British Medical Journal 313:1431-4, 1996.
3. McFadden, A., “The Link Between Abortion and Child Abuse,” Family Resources Center News (January 1998) 20.
4. S. J. Drower, & E. S. Nash, “Therapeutic Abortion on Psychiatric Grounds,” South African Medical Journal 54:604-608, Oct. 7, 1978; B. Jansson, Acta Psychiatrica Scandinavia 41:87, 1965.
5. David Reardon, “Psychological Reactions Reported After Abortion,” The Post-Abortion Review, 2(3):4-8, Fall 1994; Anne C. Speckhard, The Psychological Aspects of Stress Following Abortion (Kansas City: Sheed & Ward, 1987); Vincent Rue, “Traumagenic Aspects of Elective Abortion: Preliminary Findings from an International Study” Healing Visions Conference, June 22, 1996.
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19. D. Berkeley, P.L. Humphreys, and D. Davidson, “Demands Made on General Practice by Women Before and After an Abortion,” J. R. Coll. Gen. Pract. 34:310-315, 1984. 20. Philip G. Ney, Tak Fung, Adele Rose Wickett and Carol Beaman-Dodd, “The Effects of Pregnancy Loss on Women’s Health,” Soc. Sci. Med. 48(9):1193-1200, 1994.
21. Gissler, et.al. (1997) 652.


... etc. etc.

medical journals aren't reputable sources?

I see 2 articles about Finland covering 87-94, something from "Family resources Center", the same Finnish journal again, a book about the psychological stress of abortion, the "healing vision conference" and at least one article on "Pregnancy loss" which isn't necessarily about abortion.

Those are not all medical journals, even with your selective quoting. Nor are they modern, nor do the use of quotes prove that the studies themselves say the same thing. If you're going to take secondary sources, lets look at wikipedia, or you know the APA - who would be considered experts.

Abortion and mental health - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hey look, No post abortion syndrome, because there's no evidence for it.
But they disagree with you so I anticipate you ignore them.

 

[Drolefille]

Depends on the medical journal. I would expect a college educated person, such as yourself, to be aware of that point.

Even all the ones quoted aren't medical journals.

 

[dgirl1986]

It´s an analogy and it doesn´t have to be about anger. It is a strong very understandable emotion that would make innocents pay if you allowed it to come to fruit.

about the last line, doesn´t US have way to deal with that?

If anything, there is adoption I would presume.

Again, I think you need to study the subject of rape and the psychological AND emotional affects it can have on someone (sometimes for life).

I am in Australia. The only thing here would be adoptions and foster care. Adoption criteria is so strict that would be brilliant parents can never adopt. My mum knew a lady that died trying to fit into the criteria so she could adopt a child.

There are also reports of abuse in foster homes, not to mention the psychological damage that does to a child. Then put the knowledge of rape baby on top of that when they find out...

 

[idea]

just google "suicide after abortion" and start reading... it's very simple.

 

[Storm]

just google "suicide after abortion" and start reading... it's very simple.

This may be a shock to you, but not everything on the internet is true.

 

[Me Myself]

Again, I think you need to study the subject of rape and the psychological AND emotional affects it can have on someone (sometimes for life).

I am in Australia. The only thing here would be adoptions and foster care. Adoption criteria is so strict that would be brilliant parents can never adopt. My mum knew a lady that died trying to fit into the criteria so she could adopt a child.

There are also reports of abuse in foster homes, not to mention the psychological damage that does to a child. Then put the knowledge of rape baby on top of that when they find out...

Had this debate many times. I just cant see why we have to devalue human life to the point where the baby can be killed because his mother is traumatized enough.

But blah, we´ll agree to disagree.

 

[Drolefille]

just google "suicide after abortion" and start reading... it's very simple.

Weird, I googled "Mental health" and "Abortion" And got an article from the American Psychological Association saying you're wrong. It's like, maybe your sources are wrong and you don't know how to use the internet for research.

 

[dgirl1986]

Had this debate many times. I just cant see why we have to devalue human life to the point where the baby can be killed because his mother is traumatized enough.

But blah, we´ll agree to disagree.

Is it that you dont undertand it or that you understand it you just dont agree with it? If you dont understand it I would suggest reading up on it.

 

[Me Myself]

Is it that you dont undertand it or that you understand it you just dont agree with it? If you dont understand it I would suggest reading up on it.

I simply wont agree with an innocent human being being killed because it would ease the mother´s psychological suffering o.0

 

[dgirl1986]

I simply wont agree with an innocent human being being killed because it would ease the mother´s psychological suffering o.0

Well it seems you do not wish to understand and therefore I will not discuss this topic further with you.

 

[Drolefille]

I simply wont agree with an innocent human being being killed because it would ease the mother´s psychological suffering o.0

So instead, women will go to back alley abortion clinics and risk extreme complications on top of also "killing a human being" since we're going to use your terms.

So you have two new victims instead of one. Isn't legalized abortion reduction of harm?

 

[dgirl1986]

So instead, women will go to back alley abortion clinics and risk extreme complications on top of also "killing a human being" since we're going to use your terms.

So you have two new victims instead of one. Isn't legalized abortion reduction of harm?

back to the days where abortions were performed with coathangers and a lot of women died...

 

[Me Myself]

Well it seems you do not wish to understand and therefore I will not discuss this topic further with you.

If the baby was not in the mother´s womb, would you say it is okay to kill the baby if the mother had the same psychological suffering you are talking about?

Like, if the baby has born already, would it be okay to kill him so the mother doesn´t feel this horrible horrible psychological trauma? For this hypothetical we are assuming it would fix her trauma.