Irony of the evolutionary belief

[Pogo]

Science is the discipline. Technology is know-how.

And what we do with it as it has always been is up to humans. (rocks etc.)

 

[Pogo]

Did you learn this strategy from your schooling?

No it is a legitimate question based on his discussion of scale, not a juvenile quip.

 

[YoursTrue]

Did you learn this strategy from long trips with young children in the back seat or did you never grow out of it?

If they cannot see where the universe comes from, then its dishonest for a scientist to claim it must come from somewhere. They can do simulations and try to guess at where things come from though, long as its not represented as more than that. One piece kids have to learn these days is that science fiction is not science, and that wasn't the case 200 years ago.

The models have to do with measuring time and distances. Its necessary to extrapolate a beginning time; but it must be acknowledged to be a model not an observed fact. Its all a calculation that is hopefully useful.

Its sad very sad. I've been watching some of the people on youtube talking about it. Russia is in for some tough decades.

1984 is now a technical possibility. You can literally be put into a civilization in which every citizen is watched at all times, rising early in the morning to workout naked in front of a camera, monitored everywhere they go, speech constantly checked, occupation and relationships dictated, everything dictated. Even your thoughts can be inferred if not directly seen. From here on out its a risk and can happen. I can't blame this on Science though. Its technology combined with human personality problems. I view Science and Technology as two different things. Science is the discipline. Technology is know-how.

1984 was one of my favorite books 'back then,' but it's not so talked about today. Not everyone, however, fits the mode, I'm happy to say. And that is where -- the effect depends upon the cause. Take care.

 

[YoursTrue]

No it is a legitimate question based on his discussion of scale, not a juvenile quip.

It's almost like maybe the universe came from nothing, maybe gravity caused it, maybe it did not. And hey, have a good time. Keep thinking...

 

[Pogo]

Keep thinking...

You too.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

All of that is your own private opinion, it's not supported by and evidence of facts.

Incorrect. It is a fact that I don't believe you understand or support science. You have offered no evidence to support any such position. In fact, all that is available evidence supports the conclusion that you don't understand or support science. It is sad that people in this day and age can live in such ignorance of fairly common and easily understandable material, but it is fact that many do and willfully I have seen.

I also made no reference to supporting pseudoscience. I'm not a follower of Comfy Ray and his crocoduck.

Seems the evidence continues to be against you.

I don't even recognize your version of science as having any credibility to begin with.

I don't recognize that you recognize science and have provided nothing of credibility at all.

I don't even see the point of trying to engage you. All that you have done is assert without evidence and make posts that are laughable projection.

I think further attempts to get you to support your position would be a waste of time given the evidence of today.

 

[Димитар]

I am a little confused, how is galaxy formation sensibly different than silt deposition.

In forming.

Most clay minerals form where rocks are in contact with water, air, or steam.

Galaxies form out of immense clouds of gas that collapse and rotate.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I think we are dealing with a Poe here.
In a way, I hope that is the case/.

I wondered about that.

 

[Pogo]

In forming.

Most clay minerals form where rocks are in contact with water, air, or steam.

Galaxies form out of immense clouds of gas that collapse and rotate.

Yes, but they are both gravitationaly bound assemblages, why do you seem to make some scale differentiation and what is the significance of this midpoint?

 

[Pogo]

I wondered about that.

I wish for the sake of theism.

 

[YoursTrue]

No it is a legitimate question based on his discussion of scale, not a juvenile quip.

like your imagination of children in the back seat...great. Thanks. May you and yours have a good evening...keep going because you're making it for sure you don't know what you're talking about, nothing personal I hope...It's just that you don't know...

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, but they are both gravitationaly bound assemblages, why do you seem to make some scale differentiation and what is the significance of this midpoint?

So then you agree that it's possible gravity formed the universe, maybe it did not. And maybe gravity changes... (lolol) Thanks again! to you and yours.

 

[Pogo]

So then you agree that it's possible gravity formed the universe, maybe it did not. And maybe gravity changes... (lolol) Thanks again! to you and yours.

And maybe it is all extradimensional pixies and there is no God, seriously quit before you make any more of a fool of yourself. You are an embarrassment to any thinking Christian.

 

[F1fan]

So it also goes for subjective theories such as whether there was or was not a natural "cause and effect" to the origin plus more to the universe.

Can you cite any evidence (that is clear to anyone and does not require some assumption) that suggests any cause that isn't natural?

 

[YoursTrue]

And maybe it is all extradimensional pixies and there is no God, seriously quit before you make any more of a fool of yourself. You are an embarrassment to any thinking Christian.

So you agree that it's possible gravity formed the universe or maybe it did not. And maybe gravity changes... Thanks again! to you and yours. Are you what you think is a "thinking Christian," or maybe not a Christian, or perhaps you're a non-thinking Christian. Which is it? Thanks again.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

And what sciences were the writers of the Bible expert in?

Are you basing your epistomology on science or a philosophical belief?
My understanding is that the questions of why are we here, we did we come from, and where are we going are philosophical ones and involve belief.

Christians do not usually find standards of belief from scientific study as science is simply a tool of investigation. The belief comes from philosophical writings such as the bible. Humanists might say their philosophical principles come from Socrates. Given the far greater amount of information available supporting Christs existence, if you believe in Socrates noting he has but 3 sources of which only one was an eye witness (Plato), you have to agree that Christ really existed and performed miracles.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are you basing your epistomology on science or a philosophical belief?
My understanding is that the questions of why are we here, we did we come from, and where are we going are philosophical ones and involve belief.

Christians do not usually find standards of belief from scientific study as science is simply a tool of investigation. The belief comes from philosophical writings such as the bible. Humanists might say their philosophical principles come from Socrates. Given the far greater amount of information available supporting Christs existence, if you believe in Socrates noting he has but 3 sources of which only one was an eye witness (Plato), you have to agree that Christ really existed and performed miracles.

It sounds as if Plato has the Jesus story beat when it comes to eyewitnesses. The last time I checked one was greater than none.

 

[YoursTrue]

Here we go -- "There was never a Big Bang that produced something from nothing. It just seemed that way from mankind's perspective,” Hawking said."
See? There was NEVER a Big Bang that produced something from nothing. IT JUST SEEMED THAT WAY...lol...

 

[AdamjEdgar]

This does not describe what a scientific theory is.

This does:
" A theory is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts. The theory of gravitation, for instance, explains why apples fall from trees and astronauts float in space. Similarly, the theory of evolution explains why so many plants and animals—some very similar and some very different—exist on Earth now and in the past, as revealed by the fossil record."

you need to read a dictionary...

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages
theory
noun
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
"Darwin's theory of evolution"
Similar:
hypothesis
thesis
conjecture
supposition
speculation
postulation
postulate
proposition
premise
surmise
assumption
presumption
presupposition
notion
guess
hunch
feeling
suspicion
opinion
view
belief
thinking
thought(s)
judgement
contention
principles
ideas
concepts
principled explanations
laws
philosophy
ideology
system of ideas
science
a set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based.
"a theory of education"
an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action.
"my theory would be that the place has been seriously mismanaged"

 

[AdamjEdgar]

It sounds as if Plato has the Jesus story beat when it comes to eyewitnesses. The last time I checked one was greater than none.

this makes no sense...there are many witnesses to the existence of Christ.
How can you claim none? I will post the witnesses to Christ if you really are going to deny there are any.