Is a muslim women who marries a non-muslim, still a muslim by definition?

[iamsharky789]

I would think most would know she is already a liberal or moderate Muslim, and they would not be very surprised or offended, since it already sank in that she is a bit more independent.

I agree about that. I wish there was some statistics on education level and marrying outside of your faith. I know that educated people tend to not marry or wait longer but not too sure about religion and education.

Seems like the consensus here is that the women would still be considered muslim but held in different regards. Does this mean that their marriage is valid in islam and as long as she followed the rest of the quran, she would be okay? What about her children and their standing in the community? Are they different if they become muslims from muslim children that are born into family where the dad is muslim?

I get the feeling that muslim men do not like discussing this topic because they feel like it gives openness to the idea of it even happening more but this simple thread is not going to change that. The religion is considered unfortunately and sadly the fastest growing religion in the world. With that, they can expect the many people will differ in how they interpret their religion and how strong of a force it is when it comes to their love lives.

 

[Pastek]

Clearly chauvinist. I suspect that there are large number of Muslims (of both sexes) that reject such explanations as an unfortunate legacy from the past.

For what i know we don't really have hadiths or explanations from the Prophet (saw) or his companions (as) about this subject. We only hear some tentative explanations from scholars.

Seems like the consensus here is that the women would still be considered muslim but held in different regards. Does this mean that their marriage is valid in islam and as long as she followed the rest of the quran, she would be okay?

We have the religious mariage and the civil mariage.
If you live in a muslim country you'll need both (in some area they have only religious marriage). If you live in a non-muslim country the Imam will never marry a muslim woman to a non muslim. So she can't do the religious mariage.
Of course, she is still muslim. Because she believes in God, the Quran, Muhammad.

What about her children and their standing in the community? Are they different if they become muslims from muslim children that are born into family where the dad is muslim?

In Islam you don't need a muslim parent to be considered as a muslim.
It's all about you. I have a cousin who married a french woman, his daughter is not muslim (her parents divorced and she lived with her mother). People/familly don't tell her anything when she come visiting them, it's her choice.

People may disagree with the muslim woman who choose a non muslim husband, but won't never say anything bad to the children.

The fact that people think children will choose/inherit the dad's religion is not true.
I know many who prefered the mother's religion (christianity).

 

[iamsharky789]

People may disagree with the muslim woman who choose a non muslim husband, but won't never say anything bad to the children.

The fact that people think children will choose/inherit the dad's religion is not true.
I know many who prefered the mother's religion (christianity).

That is good news that there is positive outlook from muslim members. Your opinion though is very different then what I have come to understand on this subject. Hopefully more people in the faith progress and learn to accept this growing change.

 

[Assad91]

I agree about that. I wish there was some statistics on education level and marrying outside of your faith. I know that educated people tend to not marry or wait longer but not too sure about religion and education.

Seems like the consensus here is that the women would still be considered muslim but held in different regards. Does this mean that their marriage is valid in islam and as long as she followed the rest of the quran, she would be okay? What about her children and their standing in the community? Are they different if they become muslims from muslim children that are born into family where the dad is muslim?

I get the feeling that muslim men do not like discussing this topic because they feel like it gives openness to the idea of it even happening more but this simple thread is not going to change that. The religion is considered unfortunately and sadly the fastest growing religion in the world. With that, they can expect the many people will differ in how they interpret their religion and how strong of a force it is when it comes to their love lives.

You do nothing but bait.

 

[Assad91]

Majority of the questions answers are all dependant upon the community the women lives among. There is no telling of how many would actually care and how many don't care at all.

 

[Valjean]

I think you're all making this way too complicated. As Pastek pointed out, if you believe in one God, His prophet Muhammad and the Quran, you're a Muslim. One's marital situation has nothing to do with it.

The woman could be a Cardinal in the Vatican and as long as she believed in God, Muhammad and Quran she'd be a Muslim, by definition.

 

[Assad91]

I think you're all making this way too complicated. As Pastek pointed out, if you believe in one God, His prophet Muhammad and the Quran, you're a Muslim. One's marital situation has nothing to do with it.

The woman could be a Cardinal in the Vatican and as long as she believed in God, Muhammad and Quran she'd be a Muslim, by definition.

Yeah not true.

 

[Sees]

Yeah not true.

Please explain

 

[Assad91]

Please explain

When you ever see a women cardinal?

 

[Sees]

When you ever see a women cardinal?

 

[Assad91]

I'd give a better explanation but I'm not exactly caring to see how you twist itaround.

 

[Sees]

I'd give a better explanation but I'm not exactly caring to see how you twist itaround.

I'm all for a better, brighter Islam. Good for Muslims, good for the World. I've known some great Muslims who were inspirational, honorable friends without our religious beliefs needing to match up.

 

[beenie]

Clearly chauvinist. I suspect that there are large number of Muslims (of both sexes) that reject such explanations as an unfortunate legacy from the past.

*raises hand*

I don't think who you marry makes you any religion. Your religion is chosen and practiced by you.

 

[Valjean]

When you ever see a women cardinal?

Vatican spokesman: Female cardinals 'theoretically possible' | National Catholic Reporter

Although a woman has not been appointed a cardinal since the system of electing the pope began around the 12th century, some have suggested it would be possible for the church to name women as cardinals. They say this could happen without changing the church's teaching regarding the ordination of only men to the priesthood, as cardinals are not ordained into their ministry.

 

[iamsharky789]

I think you're all making this way too complicated. As Pastek pointed out, if you believe in one God, His prophet Muhammad and the Quran, you're a Muslim. One's marital situation has nothing to do with it.

The woman could be a Cardinal in the Vatican and as long as she believed in God, Muhammad and Quran she'd be a Muslim, by definition.

I have to disagree with you. I did some research and technically she is considered a disgrace and a sinful muslim and the community may abandon her. This is a sunni response so it may be incorrect interpretation.

A Muslim Woman Marrying a Non-Muslim Man

"A marriage between a Muslim woman and non-Muslim man is invalid. The relationship is viewed as fornication. For the marriage to be valid, the man would have to state the Shahada (the Islamic testification of faith), after which they would have a new ceremony.

The sister in question is still considered a Muslim, albeit a sinful Muslim. She should be encouraged to repent from this relationship. The person she is with should be encouraged to study Islam. I have heard of cases where Muslim women married non-Muslim men and were essentially thrown out of the Muslim community. My fear is that when this happens, the sister becomes even further alienated from herself and her Lord. If you are friends with this sister, please give her good advice and beg her to think about her standing with her Lord"

I guess it answers the initial question but it seems that there will be some kind of reform needed because more articles are coming out about interfaith marriage between muslim women marrying outside of their religion. The children being raised will be important factors too.

 

[Sees]

I have to disagree with you. I did some research and technically she is considered a disgrace and a sinful muslim and the community may abandon her. This is a sunni response so it may be incorrect interpretation.

A Muslim Woman Marrying a Non-Muslim Man

"A marriage between a Muslim woman and non-Muslim man is invalid. The relationship is viewed as fornication. For the marriage to be valid, the man would have to state the Shahada (the Islamic testification of faith), after which they would have a new ceremony.

The sister in question is still considered a Muslim, albeit a sinful Muslim. She should be encouraged to repent from this relationship. The person she is with should be encouraged to study Islam. I have heard of cases where Muslim women married non-Muslim men and were essentially thrown out of the Muslim community. My fear is that when this happens, the sister becomes even further alienated from herself and her Lord. If you are friends with this sister, please give her good advice and beg her to think about her standing with her Lord"

I guess it answers the initial question but it seems that there will be some kind of reform needed because more articles are coming out about interfaith marriage between muslim women marrying outside of their religion. The children being raised will be important factors too.

He didn't explain what agreed upon authority backs up his answer. In countries that are primarily Muslim we already know the scenario isn't going to play out much anyways. Kind of like rock and roll and certain kinds of dancing in the U.S. years ago...didn't have to be in the Bible to be sinful or wicked.

 

[iamsharky789]

He didn't explain what agreed upon authority backs up his answer. In countries that are primarily Muslim we already know the scenario isn't going to play out much anyways. Kind of like rock and roll and certain kinds of dancing in the U.S. years ago...didn't have to be in the Bible to be sinful or wicked.

True. But this is not just rock and roll or dancing. This is someone's marriage and the consequences will effect many people.

 

[Sees]

True. But this is not just rock and roll or dancing. This is someone's marriage and the consequences will effect many people.

I agree but it takes inside change to decide to be more liberal and open. It's about more than any specific case or scenario. It is a harder shell to crack than Bible-thumping and they aren't using a foundation quite like here.

 

[iamsharky789]

I agree but it takes inside change to decide to be more liberal and open. It's about more than any specific case or scenario. It is a harder shell to crack than Bible-thumping and they aren't using a foundation quite like here.

In terms of doctrine, it seems that there is no real consequence written for marrying a non-muslim. Your marriage is Invalid, your kids are illegitamate but you can repent and then discuss it will allah. Maybe muslim women think that's what they will do when the enter paradise. So there is no punishment directly for marrying a non-muslim and you are considered a muslim if you pray but doing this is a sin. All the consequences that people are saying a bunch of what-if's about the man (non-muslim husband) but then it's hard to take that seriously when domestic abuse is condoned is islam.

There are absolutely no consequences from a legal perceptive and that is what is stumping angering muslim traditionalist. They cannot stop the increasing percentages of women not wanting a muslim man.

Until there is any proof that a muslim women is not scripturally a muslim if she marries a non muslim, then this thread is good as closed.

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[SoulDaemon]

In my opinion yes they are still muslim. I think the religion doesn't have to say much, but those who are religiousness may say otherwise. Religion does not differ, people in it do.