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Is accepting the possibility of Jesus and God enough?

ClayJack93

New Member
Anyone knowledgeable on bible scripture? If I acknowledge the possibility of Jesus and God and the story of creation/salvation as a valid possibility and claim that if in actuality those stories are true, that that is the side I want to be on (the side of Jesus, righteousness, and salvation,) is that enough to be saved by scripture? If I say "Jesus, if the creationist story is true, then please give me the holy spirit and keep me free of sin, forgive my sins, and lead me to salvation," is that enough to be saved? I'm not going to believe something I can't prove with facts as true, but if it is true then I do want Jesus to save me.

Quoting John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God's unique Son."

So if I do not necessarily believe, but do not not believe, where do people like me stand?
 
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Gnostic Seeker

Spiritual
I think one can believe without entirely understanding why they believe, especially in Christianity. That seems to be a common thing. I think it brings one to a story in the gospels where a certain publican said to Jesus: 'Lord I do believe, but help my unbelief!'

The thing to understand about faith in something higher than ourselves is its never going to be entirely rational or acceptable to our minds. If it was, we'd have good reason then to say humans had just made up religion and spirituality. That these subject entail things higher than our minds can grasp is a good indicator of a higher reality.

I wish you well on your journey, and hope you find what you're seeking.
 

ClayJack93

New Member
There is no way to prove belief in Christianity. Even arguments such as visions of God etc can be rationally explained as vivid hallucinations. Most Christians don't even have that good of an argument for their belief, they just say "boy the sunset is pretty this evening God is obviously real" which is just a bogus belief because natural evolution of the universe could have just as easily caused a nice sunset. Neither confirm nor deny.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think it's all the magic and miracles, dubious claims, strange "science" and no attempts by the Deity to clarify these questions that sow doubt in modern minds.
 

nazz

Doubting Thomas
Anyone knowledgeable on bible scripture? If I acknowledge the possibility of Jesus and God and the story of creation/salvation as a valid possibility and claim that if in actuality those stories are true, that that is the side I want to be on (the side of Jesus, righteousness, and salvation,) is that enough to be saved by scripture? If I say "Jesus, if the creationist story is true, then please give me the holy spirit and keep me free of sin, forgive my sins, and lead me to salvation," is that enough to be saved? I'm not going to believe something I can't prove with facts as true, but if it is true then I do want Jesus to save me.

Quoting John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God's unique Son."

So if I do not necessarily believe, but do not not believe, where do people like me stand?
At the entrance to the path. Now you must walk it.
 

allfoak

Alchemist
What it is that you want to be saved from is the very thing that can save you .


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The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Anyone knowledgeable on bible scripture? If I acknowledge the possibility of Jesus and God and the story of creation/salvation as a valid possibility and claim that if in actuality those stories are true, that that is the side I want to be on (the side of Jesus, righteousness, and salvation,) is that enough to be saved by scripture? If I say "Jesus, if the creationist story is true, then please give me the holy spirit and keep me free of sin, forgive my sins, and lead me to salvation," is that enough to be saved? I'm not going to believe something I can't prove with facts as true, but if it is true then I do want Jesus to save me.

Quoting John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God's unique Son."

So if I do not necessarily believe, but do not not believe, where do people like me stand?
If it isn't, do you really want to be spending an eternity glorifying that picky, egomaniac dictator anyway?
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Anyone knowledgeable on bible scripture? If I acknowledge the possibility of Jesus and God and the story of creation/salvation as a valid possibility and claim that if in actuality those stories are true, that that is the side I want to be on (the side of Jesus, righteousness, and salvation,) is that enough to be saved by scripture? If I say "Jesus, if the creationist story is true, then please give me the holy spirit and keep me free of sin, forgive my sins, and lead me to salvation," is that enough to be saved? I'm not going to believe something I can't prove with facts as true, but if it is true then I do want Jesus to save me.

Quoting John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God's unique Son."

So if I do not necessarily believe, but do not not believe, where do people like me stand?
Depends on who you ask.
If you go by scripture, a person must have faith: All the prophets spoke of faith in the Tanakh. Jesus spoke of faith. How you take that is all dependent on you.
My interpretation of scriptures doesn't mean much on its own, however. I would find a pastor (or speak to more than one) to speak to, if you are able to. If you wish, try different denominations.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
It depends on which scripture you read.

James 2:19 Even the demons believe, and tremble.


The idea seems ridiculous to me that a persons eternal fate depends on happening to believe in the right theology. Not your actions, just if you believe the right thing. It is like letting people into heaven for guessing the right number of jelly-beans in a jar, guess wrong and you can go to hell. :imp:
 
So if I do not necessarily believe, but do not not believe, where do people like me stand?

It sounds like you are an Agnostic Theist, like Me.

I don't believe in God or Jesus, but at the same time, I don't not believe in God and Jesus.

Being Agnostic just means that you don't know what the Truth is about God.

Being a Theist just means that you believe in God.

I would love to believe in God, but I can't find any empirical proof for God.

I believe that something created the universe, but was ita natural cause, or a supernatural cause by a Creator? I don't believe even science can answer this.

So, I believe in Myself as the Christ.

~PEACE~
 

Harikrish

Active Member
Anyone knowledgeable on bible scripture? If I acknowledge the possibility of Jesus and God and the story of creation/salvation as a valid possibility and claim that if in actuality those stories are true, that that is the side I want to be on (the side of Jesus, righteousness, and salvation,) is that enough to be saved by scripture? If I say "Jesus, if the creationist story is true, then please give me the holy spirit and keep me free of sin, forgive my sins, and lead me to salvation," is that enough to be saved? I'm not going to believe something I can't prove with facts as true, but if it is true then I do want Jesus to save me.

Quoting John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God's unique Son."

So if I do not necessarily believe, but do not not believe, where do people like me stand?
You are at a crossroad bro, standing still waiting to be hit by a truck.
 
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