Is acknowledging Muhammad's prophethood but being another religion make one an apostate?

[Starsoul]

By the way, did you know, an Imam can also be a messenger and prophet? Abraham was an Imam as well as Messenger and prophet.



Muhammad was the last prophet and messenger till the Judgment Day. Not after Judgment Day!
Baha'u'llah was the one who was promised in Quran:

Baha'u'llah: The Great Announcement of the Qur'an

Also, I recommend you read Book of Iqan on this subject.

Ok since you have quoted that bahaullah was promised as a Prophet in the Quran, can you please mention which ayah' are you referring to? I have never come across it yet though.

And about the day of judgment, when did that happen? Did it happen and we all missed out on it? or it happened separately for some according to bahai belief?

And if it hasn't happened, how can he claim prophecy?
And also explain that WHY is there a NEED for a messenger of Allah, AFter the day of judgment when, the fate of the people would already have been decided, and believers would be in heaven?

The reality of the creator and everything else about the Universe will be exposed to everybody on Allah's behalf, on the day of judgment. Then why would Allah choose a different messenger, to venerate, after the day of judgment when The rest have been scrupulously honored and Muhammad called as the(Rehmatul Aalimeen) Blessing for the whole Universe (both the worlds; here and hereafter), for not just only muslims, but EVERYBODY, in the Quran?

Don't bahais think that since bahaullah claims to have been blessed exponentially, and exceeds in spreading his blessings BEYOND the universe, he deserved a mention in the quran with atleast a name? why is there a whole chapter in Muhammad's name and not on bahaullah?

And why would Allah choose bahaullah over his Most beloved Rasuls, like Abraham(a.s), Musa(a.s),Eesa(jesus) ibne Maryam (a.s), Muhammad (sws),and supersede them to appoint a prophet he never even mentioned a bit about in the Quran? MAybe bahaullah was a really nice guy, a good scholar maybe, there are many nice people in the world you know, but all of them are not prophets.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Hello Starsoul, you brought up some good questions that usually the Moslem would ask, since the Moslem believes in finality of revelation of God through Muhammad.

Based on Baha’i scriptures, the Baha’is understand the message of Quran and Islam as the Revelation of God has no end, and God always sends His messengers to guide humanity.

The difference in understanding the message of Islam is mostly related to how Quran is interpreted.
As Quran itself says that it has 2 type of verses; clear to understand, and Figurative which is not clear.

Also, all the great religions have at least a Promised One. For example, Islam has 2 promised Ones, known as Imam Mehdi and second coming of Christ.
Baha’i Faith is founded by 2 Messengers, the Bab and Baha’u’llah. The Bab proclaimed that He was the Mehdi to Moslems. And Baha’u’llah Proclaimed to be the Second coming of Messiah.
There are just many Hadithes regarding the coming of the 2 promised ones that ensures the Moslem that Muhammad promised that.


But, as you know the Quran does not have any clear verse regarding the Mehdi, as this was the mystery of God. However Quran has many verses that are Figurative which their meanings are not clear to most of mankind, except the one that God gives him the knowledge. Many of these figurative verses are referring to the 2 promised Ones. By revelation of Baha’u’llah the mysteries of these verse was revealed as Quran had promised.

Ok since you have quoted that bahaullah was promised as a Prophet in the Quran, can you please mention which ayah' are you referring to? I have never come across it yet though.

A great portion of Quranic verses is regarding The Day of Judgment and meeting with Lord. Clearly God Himself does not come. He is always present. Who can see God? By meeting with God, is meant meeting with manifestation of God as the person of His messenger who as His representative judges.

And about the day of judgment, when did that happen? Did it happen and we all missed out on it? or it happened separately for some according to bahai belief?

The Day of judgment or Day of Resurrection (ghyamah) happened in year 1844, when the Bab proclaimed. It was exactly 1000 years after, as the Quran promised.
“From the heaven to the earth He governeth all things: hereafter shall they come up to Him on a day whose length shall be a thousand of such years as ye reckon.” (Quran: Adoration – 32:6)

I offer this quote from the Bab:

“THE Day of Resurrection is a day on which the sun riseth and setteth like unto any other day. How oft hath the Day of Resurrection dawned, and the people of the land where it occurred did not learn of the event. Had they heard, they would not have believed, and thus they were not told!
When the Apostle of God [Muḥammad] appeared, He did not announce unto the unbelievers that the Resurrection had come, for they could not bear the news. That Day is indeed an infinitely mighty Day, for in it the Divine Tree proclaimeth from eternity unto eternity, ‘Verily, I am God. No God is there but Me’.”

And also explain that WHY is there a NEED for a messenger of Allah, AFter the day of judgment when, the fate of the people would already have been decided, and believers would be in heaven?

The signs that are given regarding the day of judgment should not be taken literally. Those verses should be interpreted figuratively. On the Day of resurrection the dead is given a new life. This was a new guidance from God which gave a new life, and by the guidance mankind is raised from spiritual death to the life of belief.

According to Quran, also through the revelation of Muhammad, the dead was raised to life. Therefore, the Day of Resurrection is whenever God sends a Messenger.


WHy there is a need for a new messenger?

The teachings of God can be divided into 2 type. The spiritual teachings, and the laws.
The spiritual teachings need to be reminded as the time passes those teachings are faded and forgotten, therefore God sends His messenger to renew the same spiritual teachings. Also as humanity's understanding increases over time, the next messengers bring more spiritual teachings.

Th laws are also depending on the needs of the age, are changed by God.

The reality of the creator and everything else about the Universe will be exposed to everybody on Allah's behalf, on the day of judgment. Then why would Allah choose a different messenger, to venerate, after the day of judgment when The rest have been scrupulously honored and Muhammad called as the(Rehmatul Aalimeen) Blessing for the whole Universe (both the worlds; here and hereafter), for not just only muslims, but EVERYBODY, in the Quran?

There is no difference between messengers of God.

Don't bahais think that since bahaullah claims to have been blessed exponentially, and exceeds in spreading his blessings BEYOND the universe, he deserved a mention in the quran with atleast a name? why is there a whole chapter in Muhammad's name and not on bahaullah?

The same as the name of Jesus was not mentioned in the exact way in the old testominy and name of Muhammad was not mentioned in the exact form in the Bible. The name of prophets have been always kept as a mystery by God.

MAybe bahaullah was a really nice guy, a good scholar maybe

Baha'u'llah was not a scholar, He did not go to school to learn religion or science. I offer this quote from Baha'u'llah:

"The learning current amongst men I studied not; their schools I entered not. Ask of the city wherein I dwelt, that thou mayest be well assured that I am not of them who speak falsely. This is but a leaf which the winds of the will of thy Lord, the Almighty, the All-Praised, have stirred. Can it be still when the tempestuous winds are blowing? Nay, by Him Who is the Lord of all Names and Attributes!" Proclamation of Baha'u'llah, p.17

 

[BruceDLimber]

IT has already given you good answers (such as that Judgement Day is a recurring phenomenon that happens every time a new Divine Messenger comes), so I won't repeat what was said already.

But as to the title of this thread, it's my understanding that in the Islamic view, "apostate" only refers to someone who was Muslim but then switches to another religion. And given that most Baha'is world wide were never Muslim, the term simply wouldn't apply to them!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Muffled]

Amusing. Thats the other way around in Islam, if muslims did not believe in Jesus as the prophet of Allah, we would not be muslims!

I have never met a muslim yet who believes that Jesus is a prophet. They say that but it is always qualified with as far as what the Qu'ran has to say about it. Muslims absolutely refuse to beieve in anything Jesus says in the Bible which is the source of the prophecies of Jesus.

However it is most likely true that believing in Jesus accrding to His words in the Bible puts a person in grace but believing that Jesus is a prophet according to the Qu'ran and then discounting what Jesus says in the Bible means that Muslims are not in a state of grace.

 

[ellenjanuary]

From my perspective anyone who accepts Muhammad's so-called "prophet-hood" and does not immediately convert/revert to Islam is simply underscoring their blatant stupidity.

Gee, thanks.

 

[Gaura Priya]

Gee, thanks.

And what about the Baha'i Faith?

It's obvious that they accept Muhammad, may His soul be glorified, and are not Muslims...

And don't forget the Chrislam movement in Africa!