I think neither of us is objective about where we live.
But still, you've not justified the claim that our segregation rises to the level of "hypersegregation".
(I'm not shaking my fist in your direction, btw.)
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Is America a Police state?
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But still, you've not justified the claim that our segregation rises to the level of "hypersegregation".
(I'm not shaking my fist in your direction, btw.)
Primordial Annihilator
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The initial definition provided is justification enough it even cites african americans as the defining example...
How does "hypersegregation" differ from garden variety "segregation".
We used to have legally enforced segregation over half a century ago.
What would it have been called then? How is Britain better?
Primordial Annihilator
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Apartheid?..
Thats the evil system you operated a few years ago...you have improved with hypersegregation.
Britain is better because we are not on the whole a bunch of black man/non white fearing racists...who put most of their minorities in slums and prisons.
No slaves here.....
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Primordial Annihilator
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Sorry Revolting...nothing personal.
I truly deeply passionately and utterly hate your nation a million times more than I hate cancer...if it leaks out...its not you.
Peace!
I truly deeply passionately and utterly hate your nation a million times more than I hate cancer...if it leaks out...its not you.
Peace!
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Who actually "puts" minorities in slums here? Who puts people in Great Britain's slums?Apartheid?..
Thats the evil system you operated a few years ago...you have improved with hypersegregation.
Britain is better because we are not on the whole a bunch of black man/non white fearing racists...who put most of their minorities in slums and prisons.
Given how Britain treated minorities in colonies, I wouldn't be too smug about it.
Even today, there are difficulties.... Racism in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If you lived here, you'd see that affluent suburbs have black folk, the social mobility is easy for those
who succeed, & that there are no real legal barriers. Sure, there's some segregation, much of it
self-imposed (eg, Chinatowns, Greektown), but once again, how do you justify the term "hypersegregation"
I'd argue that if many of those neighborhoods were homogenized, that we'd lose something valuable.
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Primordial Annihilator
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Self imposed lol
Yes I am sure the average inner city african american is really glad of the ghettos projects and slum towns that they have to put up with..because they are too poor to move elsewhere.
Once again as I damn well told you the example of hypersegregation I used in the first instance is total justification..the actual example cites african americans and the crap they have to put up with...just to exist in your disgusting nation.
Oops sorry...off on one again...blood pressure...blood pressure...think of the deep blue sea...
Primordial Annihilator
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The same dirty greedy filth that put yours in slums...but yours are far worse...I know...I have visited Washington DC...another US crime racked hellhole...my mate was robbed for his trainers/sneakers! lol...how desperate are your people?
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You may laugh, but on the Chinese side of my family, they even created their own hi-rise old folks home.
No one forces Greeks to be in Greektown in Detroit. No one forces black folk to live in Detroit...they're
all around here in among us white devils.
Being poor often means that one needs to live someplace cheap. That happens for white folk too.
No one forces them to live in Appalachia. Detroiters have managed to ruin their city to the point that
you can get a house dang near for free. But this seems more like 'congregation' than 'segregation'.
Don't get angry. This topic isn't worth it.
It appears that you're using the term out of nationalistic anger rather than objective criticism.
That's better.
Rakhel
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Self segregation is a common thing where I live. Each Borough has it's own neighborhood that is classified not by class, but by race. Little Italy, Little Odessa, China town, Brownsville, Crown Heights, Flatbush. There are Jewish neighborhoods, Muslim neighborhoods, Caribbean neighborhoods, white and black neighborhoods, Chinese and Korean neighborhoods, Russian and Italian neighborhoods. Hell even Harlem is divided between Black and Spanish.
That is just the way it is here.
Now I do think we are becoming a police state, or at least New York City is. The police have gotten away with so much it is hard to believe they are there to protect us.and our rights are disappearing slowly.
That is just the way it is here.
Now I do think we are becoming a police state, or at least New York City is. The police have gotten away with so much it is hard to believe they are there to protect us.and our rights are disappearing slowly.
At least such segregation is unrelated to being a police state.
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
DC isn't representative of the U.S., as ironic as that is. In briefly looking at some online stats, cities with the highest homelessness, poverty, and crime rates are cities with high influxes of recent immigrants. And according to Wiki, most homeless are white men. (Slightly most at 41%. Black men comprise 40%.)
Segregation is really complicated and certainly exists. Racism and inequality certainly exist and are infuriatingly unfair. But the U.S. is massively diverse, and I wouldn't base opinions of it on Washington D.C. I don't base my view of Italy on the teens who tried to pickpocket me there when I was five months pregnant.
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At least I can understand your anger now. But of course you can't
judge a whole diverse country by a single visit to its armpit.
KnightOwl
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RE: racism/segregation/hypersegreation/apartheid I'd like to give my 1/50th of a dollar's worth.
Before I do, let me give some background so you know where I'm coming from and what bias or perspective I might have.
I spent most of my grammar school years in Nevada which at that time anyway was mostly white and I would guess still is for the most part.
I spend my last six years of school before college in a very racially diverse school district in Sacramento, California. A few years ago Sacramento was recognized as the most racially diverse city in America. It wasn't just the school that was diverse -- the neighborhood was too. The only busing that occurred was due to the large size of the district, not a situation of bringing people in from outside the district. Our student council represented the same sort of ethnic diversity and I think we all got along pretty well. I graduated from high school in 1979.
I'm not saying there wasn't some racial tension but most of us got along with people of all races. I know I had good friends who were from all races in high school. I had crushes on white, black, hispanic and asian girls. Later in life I spent over a year in a relationship with a black woman.
So, with that background -- what's my take? Is America racially diverse and color blind or is it filled with racial tension and segregation. My answer is "yes." America is both. It depends on who you talk to, where you go and what you're expecting to find.
I used to think DWB (driving while black -- a phenomenon black people report where they get pulled over simply for being black) was probably mostly a case of a shared persecution complex. I saw it with my own eyes and while anecdotal, I'm pretty convinced now that it is real... just not sure how prevalent.
I also knew a black woman I worked with who was always complaining about the racism prevalent in our company, citing the lack of black people in positions of power. Nevermind one of the more visible VP's was black. We went to lunch one day on a company paid lunch and on the way back there was me, her and an Indian accountant (she and I were both basically bookkeepers in the accounting dept.) She complained about no black accountants to which our Indian co-worker pointed out to her that when he was taking accounting in college there were NO black accounting students and that in order to get an accounting job, you pretty much have to take accounting courses in school.
So, yes like all countries we have racial tension and it is more prevalent in some areas than others. Considering where we were 50 years ago and 130 years ago, I think we've come a long way and things are just getting better. I think that is in large part because many people still believe that this is a country of opportunity and if you have the desire to achieve something in this country, you have a fighting chance of doing what you set out to do. Heck, some day we might even have a black President.
I for one will welcome the day when I can reflect and have to think hard the last time I heard someone speak angrily about this or that ethnicity of a person... the day when Martin Luther King, Jr's dream is reality for all but the most twisted, hate filled persons among us.
Just curious -- Primordial -- when you say those things about "our country" what exactly do you mean by our country... I should point out that your country and my country are both just mental constructs and only exist because we say they exist and in reality, both countries are made up of individuals. Some individuals in your country are racists and some people in our country are racists and I don't see it as too much removed from racism to paint the people of either country with a broad stroke, do you?
Before I do, let me give some background so you know where I'm coming from and what bias or perspective I might have.
I spent most of my grammar school years in Nevada which at that time anyway was mostly white and I would guess still is for the most part.
I spend my last six years of school before college in a very racially diverse school district in Sacramento, California. A few years ago Sacramento was recognized as the most racially diverse city in America. It wasn't just the school that was diverse -- the neighborhood was too. The only busing that occurred was due to the large size of the district, not a situation of bringing people in from outside the district. Our student council represented the same sort of ethnic diversity and I think we all got along pretty well. I graduated from high school in 1979.
I'm not saying there wasn't some racial tension but most of us got along with people of all races. I know I had good friends who were from all races in high school. I had crushes on white, black, hispanic and asian girls. Later in life I spent over a year in a relationship with a black woman.
So, with that background -- what's my take? Is America racially diverse and color blind or is it filled with racial tension and segregation. My answer is "yes." America is both. It depends on who you talk to, where you go and what you're expecting to find.
I used to think DWB (driving while black -- a phenomenon black people report where they get pulled over simply for being black) was probably mostly a case of a shared persecution complex. I saw it with my own eyes and while anecdotal, I'm pretty convinced now that it is real... just not sure how prevalent.
I also knew a black woman I worked with who was always complaining about the racism prevalent in our company, citing the lack of black people in positions of power. Nevermind one of the more visible VP's was black. We went to lunch one day on a company paid lunch and on the way back there was me, her and an Indian accountant (she and I were both basically bookkeepers in the accounting dept.) She complained about no black accountants to which our Indian co-worker pointed out to her that when he was taking accounting in college there were NO black accounting students and that in order to get an accounting job, you pretty much have to take accounting courses in school.
So, yes like all countries we have racial tension and it is more prevalent in some areas than others. Considering where we were 50 years ago and 130 years ago, I think we've come a long way and things are just getting better. I think that is in large part because many people still believe that this is a country of opportunity and if you have the desire to achieve something in this country, you have a fighting chance of doing what you set out to do. Heck, some day we might even have a black President.
I for one will welcome the day when I can reflect and have to think hard the last time I heard someone speak angrily about this or that ethnicity of a person... the day when Martin Luther King, Jr's dream is reality for all but the most twisted, hate filled persons among us.
Just curious -- Primordial -- when you say those things about "our country" what exactly do you mean by our country... I should point out that your country and my country are both just mental constructs and only exist because we say they exist and in reality, both countries are made up of individuals. Some individuals in your country are racists and some people in our country are racists and I don't see it as too much removed from racism to paint the people of either country with a broad stroke, do you?
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Primordial Annihilator
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DC isnt the only large US city with severe problems relating segregation, poverty and crime...its just the only one I have visted...and to be fair I made lots of friends there.
As for Italian pickpockets it isnt simply the petty theft that gives me reason to 'lambast' the USA as a collective entity...the external global issues are far more pressing.
Primordial Annihilator
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I wasnt angry with the robbers...they both looked like they could barely stand...thin scruffy & unwashed, obviously drug addicts...it was only the revolver they had and their desperate demeanour which gave them the power to rob us.
I felt sorry for them...that they were reduced to such a hopeless state...I almost wished I had my wallet on me...but they took a shine to my mate's sneakers so all was well.
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Primordial Annihilator
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I mean your system really...the way you do things...domestic and foreign...its hard to assign blame to any particular part of your society...so as you are technically a democracy I can only assume you are generally satisfied with the status quo and thus I blame all of you in part, collectively.
Hope that elucidates.