Is America an extension of Rome

[Sonic247]

We have a similiar legal system, calander and came from Europe. Do you think we are the fourth beast in Daniel.

 

[RND]

We have a similiar legal system, calander and came from Europe. Do you think we are the fourth beast in Daniel.

No, the United States is the false prophet that sets up an image to the beast. See Revelation 13:11 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

 

[angellous_evangellous]

No.

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[Jacques Eugene]

America is indeed the last representative of the Roman empire. It is pictured in the bible as modern Babylon to represent the northern empire that oppressed Judah in the past. It is also pictured as modern Egypt to represent the southern empire that oppressed Judah in the past.Eze17. This leads you then to understand that the true house of Judah represents the descndants of Black slaves from plantation slavery who were sold in bondage to white Europeans ancestors of white America (Joel 3:6)and who got scttered in the Americas andthe West Indies. The scritures say that 4 horns of those European Gentiles were responsible for the scattering of Judah. They are The Spanish, The French, The English and the Portuguese Zec 1:21. Now you can understand why Christ says in Rev2: 9 and Rev 3:9 that those who say they are Jews(from Judah) but are not and who do lie. Again many of the so-called Jews are Israelis from the northern tribes of the House of Israel that went into captivity to the north and got mixed with the white Europeans. They are not from Judah. That's why it is written in Hoea 11:12" Ephraim(house of the North) compasses me about with lies and the house of Israel with deceit".Again there are 2 mysteries that need to be understood: the mystery of Israel and the mystery of Babylon in order to discern the truth about USA. E-mail me or call me at 321 285 7237
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[Ben Dhyan]

No, the United States is the false prophet that sets up an image to the beast. See Revelation 13:11 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Hi RND, that's quite an astute observation, did it come from your intuitive understanding or the SDA teaching?

Are you able to provide some explanation as to how the USA can be identified as the false prophet, aka the Rev. beast that had two horns like a lamb, aka the little horn of that uprooted three of the ten horns mentioned in Daniel 7:8..?

 

[dan b]

Hi friends,

I just want to say that I agree with you. America is the last port of call for the Eagle emblem. The Eagle was brought to Rome by Constantinople(mabey) and then after the roman empire it just continued up to Germany, England and finally America. It's also the 4th Kindom. the 4th beast destroys and crushed down all the earth it says in Dan.7;23 It looks like enviormental destruction. And yes the eagle people of germany, england and america did the dirty deeds of inventing and making factories and cars, cars, cars,

The word of the Lord travelled west from Jerusalem, as does the sun. Jesus said to take his message only to "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matt.15;24 So then if Jesus's plan worked out the Europeans are the "lost tribes of Israel" now found by their sheppard Jesus Christ! Or were Jesus's words in vain? I think not! Then he said "verily I say unto you, that yee which have followed me....will sit upon 12 thrones in the re-generation." So Jesus said that there will be a re-generation. Ya hoo! It that the millennium. maybe so dan b

 

[imaginaryme]

We sit here arguing religion. Alex Jones and his crowd argue globalization. Al Gore and his cronies argue carbon taxes. Abortion. Gay marriages. Gun control. AIDS in Africa. Health care. Britney Spears. Every problem is the same problem, and nobody is going to act until it is too late...

No, America is not an extension of Rome; America is Rome, and Rome must burn. Convergence is pushing all towards chaos, war is inevitable, and once the shooting starts, the jackals will turn upon themselves. Fingers will be pointed, wrongs will be exposed, and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth... if we only knew... something could have been done... They know. They are planning. And when the world is burning, and when the common man, cannot tell right from wrong; cannot tell up from down... They will unleash their master stroke... a conspiracy two thousand years in the making... one "ordinary man" will suddenly rise from the confusion... turn against the money interests, the greedy, the exploiters, one man will assume the title we have been programmed to trust - Jesus Christ.

The Vatican will fall, and They will own the world. Call me Lucifer. You have been warned. Trust no one.

 

[dan b]

America is like ancient "Babel which combined many cultures into one by using only one language.Gen.11;6 America today, similarily to ancient Babel is also trying to reach into heaven. Gen.11;4 And the Lord said, "Behold, the people is one, and this they begin to do."
But for today the Book of Revelation tells us that "Babylon the great is fallen." Rev.18;2 "Come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Rev.18;4 dan b

 

[Smoke]

Eastern Roman Christians proclaimed Constantinople the New Rome.
Russian Christians proclaimed Moscow the Third Rome, and confidently predicted that there could be no Fourth Rome.

Of course, they saw it as a good thing, Rome being emblematic of Empire and Orthodoxy.

Why do people always think everything's about them?

 

[dan b]

America is the end of the Roman Empire which in Dan.7;4-7 is the 4th beast. It devours with Americas overconsumption and it tramples doun and destroys with it's pollution. dan b

 

[Sonic247]

I think I put this thread up and just forgot about it. So the other beasts does everyone agree on- The lion with wings- Babylon (like the one on there gates), The Bear raised up on one side (Media-Persia) presumably because one was stronger than the other. The leapord w/ 4 wings and four heads- Greece, for wings- speed taking over the world,(or possibly directions of conquest?) four heads- four governors appointed by Alexander to rule after him....

 

[Revoltingest]

We have some disturbing features in common.....you know....the whole rise & fall phenomenon.

 

[Sonic247]

Hmmm... yeah. I worry about how long this thing will last sometimes.
Although I don't have a very detailed understanding of the correlation I know one point is the slide into moral degeneration and violent entertainment.

 

[gnomon]

I don't think so.

Actually, not even close.

There is nothing much of Rome to compare to the U.S. in regards to our legal system. The Western legal system owes as much to early Islamic legal systems as it does to Rome. And while the concept of imperialism may apply what is actually happening in the corporate machinations in globalization goes beyond national concepts which the Romans relied upon heavily. Rather than the stratification of ethnic identities the Roman empire relied upon which bit them in the *** (see the Huns, the Goths, etc.) the U.S. has moved towards a system of embracing different cultural concepts and an ever evolving system.

The Roman Empire was forever for Rome. Today's climate of corporate imperialism relies upon multiple nation states to perpetuate their identity at expense of national identity.

 

[Sonic247]

But wasn't Rome kind of a melting pot too, just not to the same extent. Do you mean Rome made to much of a distinction between the ethnicities and it caused division? And do you think American companies are loyal to America or so rich that they are basically off the grid and do there own thing. Oh okay I see what your saying I think. Well maybe back in the day enterprise had to be connected to a country but now it's so easy to move around the world that they are more independent. Or it could be what the conspiracy theorists say that corporations actually own governments.

 

[Sonic247]

So at the end of the day who would you say has more power/ authority. Corporations or governments?

 

[gnomon]

But wasn't Rome kind of a melting pot too, just not to the same extent. Do you mean Rome made to much of a distinction between the ethnicities and it caused division? And do you think American companies are loyal to America or so rich that they are basically off the grid and do there own thing.

Not really.

Rome incorporated other cultures for specific purposes. That was one of the driving forces behind Attila's actions against the Roman empire. They incorporated troops from other cultures they dominated to control the borders but I have never read anything in the histories that lead to the belief that Rome granted the concept of full citizenship upon the cultures they dominated. Attila himself was a Roman soldier and officer before leading a revolt against the Empire to raise the standard of his people. The literature shows the same for Rome in the Middle East, Rome amongst the Germanic peoples and Rome amongst the Celts. It was a stratified society. But I admit the history of the Roman Empire is not my strongest study. Others may disagree.

And no, American based corporations owe zero loyalty to American citizens. That is, after all, what loyalty to a nation means which is to the citizenry. All the major electronics manufacturers seek the cheapest labor and outsource such labor. Take the corporation that has the current largest profit in terms of on hand cash. Apple. They receive the components for their products from Foxconn which other electronics/computer manufacturers receive their products. Dell. Motorola. Pretty much all the major name brands. They take cheap labor overseas and sell in the Western market at large margins. They are loyal to investors no matter the national identity of the investors nor the subsequent loss of manufacturing jobs in America due to our laws regarding fair labor practices. But that's the current market.

Even in the entertainment industry filmmakers and production companies will base their projects in nations which subsidize such endeavors in order to avoid the taxes and laws regarding such actions in the U.S. Germany is a favored nation for Hollywood given their entertainment subsidies.

The Western consumer wants cheap to extend the value of the dollar thus we have national corporations using foreign subsidies and foreign labor laws in order to reduce costs.

I fail to see how any of this compares to the Roman Empire and any apocryphal Biblical or other scriptural connections. It's simply human nature.

Any Empire that expanded it's borders could be called a melting pot. Even the early Chinese Empires were multicultural melting pots despite the inability of Western education to recognize the different cultures in China under the various empires.

 

[Sonic247]

Then again America is actually still stratified enough for there to be a major conflict I would think. Maybe a race war. But maybe it's getting better not worse. I don't know.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

We have a similiar legal system, calander and came from Europe. Do you think we are the fourth beast in Daniel.

My opinion is 'no', because Revelations, a drug-fueled rant rather than prophetic, was about actual Rome. Not some metaphoric future Rome-like empire.

 

[gnomon]

Then again America is actually still stratified enough for there to be a major conflict I would think. Maybe a race war. But maybe it's getting better not worse. I don't know.

I think the U.S. is the most progressive nation on the planet in terms of "race" relations. European nations have not had the influx of immigrants from diverse backgrounds that the U.S. has. Nor has any other nation on the planet. That the most negative experience we've had is the Civil War in terms of armed conflict (over a century ago) and that civil rights movement have led to more positive than negative results I think we are moving towards an even more progressive state.

Much of this is due to legal system willing to hammer down on any corporation seen to be discriminating on superficial grounds. The so called hate crimes legislation this nation is jumping on should be pointed at the more progressive States of the northeast and California rather than the mythical racist South. Our drug laws are far more discriminating than any other aspect of our culture and we are seeing a shift in that dynamic as well.

And I agree with Heathen Hammer. The apocryphal texts of the Bible appear to be nothing more than drug fueled rants. Their inclusion to any Canon are actually more representative of the human propensity towards drama than reason.