Is anyone a closet LHP practitioner?

[1137]

Not true. Satanism isn't something you can dogmatically pin down. It's an umbrella term for a vast array of beliefs and practices.

It's the LaVeyan mindset.

 

[nash8]

My mother is extraordinarily educated. She knows exactly who Lucifer is and what He represents. But the form of Satanism I partake in also includes Baphomet, Satan, and demons. They're almost like... anti-Goods. But the Light can only be brought if there is Darkness. I believe in a reverse Way of being. And that disturbs her, that I am contrary. I like Lucifer because He had Fallen. I relate to the Fallen Angel archetype. There are many reasons why I am drawn towards the Left-Hand Path.

The fallen angel Lucifer archetype is almost soley Judeo-Christian. In almost all other viepoints, Lucifer is the definition of "the light". Even within some more mystical Judeo-Christian beliefs Lucifer is represented as a benevolent being that gave humans knowledge.

Satan is the archetype of the advesary - can be traditionally morally good or bad in my opinoin. Depends on what you are adverse to.

Baphomet it the definition of balance in my opinion. He is neither darkness nor light.

What are the reasons?

Because the Light does not interest me. The Darkeness calls me. And I do accept Light, as it is necessary. Lightness and Darkness are both necessary. But I am of the Legion of Darkenss. Of Death, of the End, of the Tomb, of Sorrow and of Wrath. I live in Sin, and I love Sin. I gain gratification from all of that which is Sin. It is not about "fun"... this is a very serious, Dark matter. Tremendous pain and anguish brought Me to this place, where I trust none other than the influence of Hell (which in My perspective, is but a representation of sensations and a mindset which we experience).

Lucifer is literally "the light bringer" so if you are interested in him than you are interested in the one that brings the light. Who says sin is dark? I gain gratification from "sin" as well, but what is gratification? A dopamine realease in the basal ganglia? Can you change what stimulus release dopamine in this area? Hell is a mindset in my opinion as well.

No. Satanism rejects a great deal of religions very specifically, for very specific (and valid) reasons. If you are hopping around other Faiths, especially if they hold conflicting ideals and interests, you are not a Satanist. There are not many religions like Satanism. Most of them reject Satanism's Hedonistic, Self-worshiping Way. If you worship anything other than the Self, then you are not a Satanist. You can, however, be one of the Left-Hand Path. But it isn't a "club" you join. The way you speak of it feels like a mockery. It is a serious Path, it is the Way.

Your particular brand of Satanism might reject a great deal of religions, but mine does not. I am a satanist in the sense that I am an advesary. I am an advesary to many things. I am an advesary to certain parts of certain religions, and I am not an advesary to certain beliefs within the same religions that I am an advesary to.

Is the formulation of my own belief system without regard for any dogma (whether it be religious or anitreligious) of what that particular religion believes about other things not advesarial to many within that religion?

Life is interesting. Man is interesting.

indeed.

 

[desideraht]

Baphomet it the definition of balance in my opinion. He is neither darkness nor light.

And that is how I too see it.

I do not answer to Lucifer.

If you believe Satanism comes in different flavours, then don't try to classify Mine. x)

Not true. Satanism isn't something you can dogmatically pin down. It's an umbrella term for a vast array of beliefs and practices.

...Yeah Doors of Perceptions was right, I was stating it from a LaVeyan perspective. I forgot that some Satanists do, in fact, worship Satan. I don't like being conflated with that group, though.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

...Yeah Doors of Perceptions was right, I was stating it from a LaVeyan perspective. I forgot that some Satanists do, in fact, worship Satan. I don't like being conflated with that group, though.

Well, that is what the dictionary definition of Satanism is: one who worships Satan.

Michael Aquino had this to say about it:

“Communism is an economic/class-warfare ideology - dialectic materialism. It has neither place nor use for metaphysics or religious symbolism, Marx' ‘opiate of the masses.’

That notwithstanding, it's fashionable these days for some atheists to style themselves ‘Satanists’ for the glamor of it; unadorned Atheism is just so very dull. That this is like calling oneself a Christian who doesn't believe in Jesus, or a Buddhist while denying the Buddha, is shrugged off as an anachronistic quibble. What calls itself the ‘Church of Satan’ today is at the forefront of this ‘satanatheism,’ so there is plenty of room for a Marxist/communist to hop on board too.

My only advice to you is the same as to other satanatheists: Outside your narcissistic redefinition, the World Out There still regards a ‘Satanist’ as one who believes in, has dedicated himself do, and worships the Judæo/Christian Devil. The same WOT assumes the Devil to represent and advocate pure evil. So the social price for your affected glamor, to the extent it is believed sincere and not just dress-up, will be a lifetime of prejudice, grief, and danger. Pour a glass of cold water over your head and consider whether the cocktail-party-swagger of the name is worth this to you.”

 

[desideraht]

You just said it's an umbrella term and now you're gonna hold a dictionary definition over My head?

I am genuinely confused right now.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You just said it's an umbrella term and now you're gonna hold a dictionary definition over My head?

I am genuinely confused right now.

It was more a comment on you saying that you don't want to be conflated with people who do worship Satan. It's pretty much a connotation you have to accept that comes along with the label.

 

[desideraht]

It was more a comment on you saying that you don't want to be conflated with people who do worship Satan. It's pretty much a connotation you have to accept that comes along with the label.

Well hence why I am glad LaVeyan Satanism has been popularised, as it is not about Devil Worship. I can kind of point in that direction and say My own philosophies are similar.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well hence why I am glad LaVeyan Satanism has been popularised, as it is not about Devil Worship. I can kind of point in that direction and say My own philosophies are similar.

The problem is when certain sects claim that they are the "real" Satanists and disparage everyone who believes differently. "Oh, I'm not a "devil worshiper"! I'm a Satanist!". Well, I am a Satanist who is just fine with being called a Devil worshiper.

 

[1137]

You just said it's an umbrella term and now you're gonna hold a dictionary definition over My head?

I am genuinely confused right now.

It definitely is an umbrella term, but ironically devil worshiping falls under Christianity, not theistic Satanism.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It definitely is an umbrella term, but ironically devil worshiping falls under Christianity, not theistic Satanism.

Not true:

Devil Worship - Black Goat Cabal
DEVIL WORSHIP

 

[1137]

If you worship the Christian devil you are Christian, not Satanic. Don't mix LHPers in with inverted Christians.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If you worship the Christian devil you are Christian, not Satanic. Don't mix LHPers in with inverted Christians.

Did you even bother to read those links? You do know that the Abrahamic religions can't claim ownership of the concept of "devils", right?

By definition, even "inverted/reverse Christians" are Satanists. However, Satanists whose beliefs are generally informed by Christianity tend to be pretty small in number, but that's beside the point. There's a group called the Cathedral of the Black Goat who follow a more "traditional" Christian-influenced concept of Satanism and they tend to be pretty well-regarded amongst Theistic Satanists.

Basically, if someone has a fondness for Satan and seeks to reverence this figure in some way - they ARE a Satanist and no one has the right to tell them they aren't. I'm not interested in quibbling over semantics. In fact, I'm pretty sick of that behavior among Satanists. You like Satan? You want to reverence or even...*gasp*...worship Him? Or you like the symbolism associated with Him and wish to embody that in yourself? Then you're a Satanist. Case closed. The particulars of what or who Satan is to you don't matter.

 

[1137]

I disagree, but semantics annoy me as well and I like you too much for an irrelevant shoving match haha.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'd like to add that I myself am basically a Devil worshiper. I worship (i.e. have reverential love) for Satan, Who is identified as the Devil or chief devil in our culture. I personally am not a "reverse Christian", but I am certainly influenced by Christian mythology (among other mythologies).

By the way, here's the etymology of the word "devil":

Origin

Old English dēofol (related to Dutch duivel and German Teufel ), via late Latin from Greek diabolos ‘accuser, slanderer’ (used in the Septuagint to translate Hebrew śāṭān ‘Satan&#8217, from diaballein ‘to slander,’ from dia ‘across’ + ballein ‘to throw.’

So we see that the word "devil" has essentially the same meaning as "satan" does - an accuser or one who opposes.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I disagree, but semantics annoy me as well and I like you too much for an irrelevant shoving match haha.

Fair enough. I simply think that people have the right to self-identify as they please and that that right should be respected. There's room for all of us.

 

[nash8]

And that is how I too see it.

I do not answer to Lucifer.

If you believe Satanism comes in different flavours, then don't try to classify Mine. x)

If you believe Baphomet is the definition of balance, and you appreciate him, how do you not appreiciate the light as well as the dark?

Who do you answer to?

I was not trying to classify yours, you were trying to classify mine, and I was informing you that you shouldn't do that.

Well hence why I am glad LaVeyan Satanism has been popularised, as it is not about Devil Worship. I can kind of point in that direction and say My own philosophies are similar.

Good luck with that, I'm sure non-lhp folks are really going to understand that lol, but I digress, part of the game, in my opinion, is to not let those that don't understand affect you.

I'd like to add that I myself am basically a Devil worshiper. I worship (i.e. have reverential love) for Satan, Who is identified as the Devil or chief devil in our culture. I personally am not a "reverse Christian", but I am certainly influenced by Christian mythology (among other mythologies).

So we see that the word "devil" has essentially the same meaning as "satan" does - an accuser or one who opposes.

Indeed I agree, but if I worship the "the one who opposes" your belief, would I be worshiping Satan or the devli as well?

 

[ScottySatan]

Well hence why I am glad LaVeyan Satanism has been popularised, as it is not about Devil Worship. I can kind of point in that direction and say My own philosophies are similar.

I don't think it's popular at all. Almost everyone will assume you worship the christian devil. Most of the rest will assume you worship the devil in general.

When you go out to meet other Satanists in an open meeting, you will be outnumbered at least 5 to 1 by devil worshippers. Most of them will be slobs.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Indeed I agree, but if I worship the "the one who opposes" your belief, would I be worshiping Satan or the devli as well?

Conceptually, yes. But I'm referring to a God.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't think it's popular at all. Almost everyone will assume you worship the christian devil. Most of the rest will assume you worship the devil in general.

Yeah, that was what I saying and what that quote from Aquino was pointing out. That's how the majority of people define the label of Satanist.

Most of them will be slobs.

Oh, yeah?

 

[ScottySatan]

Oh, yeah?

question?

I guess I can clarify. I've been disappointed a lot in the past. One guy showed up to meet his Satanic brethren for the first time while wearing dirty sweat pants. Another believed in ALL occult phenomena and conspiracies; he believed everything anyone ever told him. Another was an angry drunk who just showed up and got ******. A lot had no intention of contributing to the group. Some were **** poor and worked retail at shopping centres for many years. No ambition, no evidence that they are using their Satanic practices to benefit themselves in any way. Yeah, there were a lot of slobs.