is being a woman a sin in islam?

[beenie]

oo..i'm not sure i want to make the time and effort to find the source.
Its just something i read in an anti islam forum called faithfreedom org.
It provided the source (from hadiths - sahih bukari - i think)
Anyway, I'm not debating. I don't want to win points or debates. I don't care if i'm taken seriously or not. If you don't like my posts, just skip it whenever you see the transparant headed fish. For that, i will thank you very much.

...and right there is your problem. i read that too, and the hadith they provided is not related to the doctrine to cover up.

being a woman in Islam is not a sin, and i have no idea how this even became a question. for the record, IN GENERAL, women who wear the burqa do so to be closer to God, as they see it as a command from Him.

 

[waitasec]

why would allah, create a woman's body only for it to be covered up and hidden?

 

[beenie]

**clears throat**
again, NOT ALL MUSLIMS WEAR THE BURQA, and the VAST majority don't feel it's necessary to wear it.

those who feel it's necessary...well, ask them.

 

[neves]

to op: ummmmmm...no.

 

[waitasec]

common, i know this is a ridiculous notion (i just wanted to get your attention ), but why was the burqa introduced to islam? seems to me it's about keeping men fron lusting after women...am i being ignorant?

 

[Riverwolf]

we get vitamin d from the sun, son
vitamin d helps our bodies absorb calcium
without calcium our bones become brittle...

the burqa is unhealthy for body and mind

...this talking about a culture that used to be ahead of the world in its medical practices.

Oh, and don't forget this culture and religion comes from the desert, where the sun is hardly friendly.

 

[Riverwolf]

it seems as though being a women is a sin simply for the fact that the burqa is used to cover a women's entire body...what is the purpose of a burqa if not for that?
then why aren't the men covering their bodies too? if they did then i wouldn't see an inequality to it...
it's obvious to me that women are subjected to mens understanding of sexuality
what is there to be ashamed of? are you ashamed of your bodies?
i just find this very, very sad...

Because people have different ideas about dress than you do?

 

[waitasec]

Because people have different ideas about dress than you do?

red herring...

 

[Riverwolf]

Just to reveal their dishonest intentions to everyone going to read their threads!

Believe me, when it comes to threads like this one, I tend to take your guys' side more often than not.

 

[Riverwolf]

red herring...

I'm sorry, but that's honestly what it looks like.

I mean, so far, you haven't really provided any support for your argument.

Muslim women who choose to dress modestly aren't any different than non-Muslim women who choose to dress the same way.

 

[waitasec]

...this talking about a culture that used to be ahead of the world in its medical practices.

Oh, and don't forget this culture and religion comes from the desert, where the sun is hardly friendly.

this talking about a culture that practices shari'ah were it is permissible to perform female circumcision

 

[waitasec]

**clears throat**
again, NOT ALL MUSLIMS WEAR THE BURQA, and the VAST majority don't feel it's necessary to wear it.

those who feel it's necessary...well, ask them.

maybe because they were indoctrinated into believing they are to be subjected to men's ideas of what is acceptable...do you think the idea of the burqa was introduced to islamic culture by a woman or a man?

 

[Riverwolf]

this talking about a culture that practices shari'ah were it is permissible to perform female circumcision

Now I can call red herring on you.

You're making it sound like the burqa is extremely unhealthy, and women who wear it are such. But you did forget (or perhaps unaware from anti-Islam propaganda making sure you don't know about it) that Muslim countries were ahead of the world in their medical practices during the European Middle Ages.

You can get vitamin D from food, and calcium from milk. You don't need the sun.

 

[Riverwolf]

maybe because they were indoctrinated into believing they are to be subjected to men's ideas of what is acceptable...do you think the idea of the burqa was introduced to islamic culture by a woman or a man?

Again, why don't you ask instead of making assumptions?

 

[beenie]

this talking about a culture that practices shari'ah were it is permissible to perform female circumcision

female circumcision IS NOT A PART OF SHARI'AH. people who perform female circumcision are doing so based on cultural grounds. any ahadith referring to female circumcision is WEAK.

can you provide statistics of rickets and severe Vitamin D deficiencies of women who wear the burqa? can you provide statistics that prove a direct correlation? ...i'll be waiting...:beach:

 

[beenie]

maybe because they were indoctrinated into believing they are to be subjected to men's ideas of what is acceptable...do you think the idea of the burqa was introduced to islamic culture by a woman or a man?

don't know, don't care. in the eyes of most Muslims, it's not a requirement. for those who feel it's a requirement, they don't care who introduced it either.

 

[waitasec]

Now I can call red herring on you.

You're making it sound like the burqa is extremely unhealthy, and women who wear it are such. But you did forget (or perhaps unaware from anti-Islam propaganda making sure you don't know about it) that Muslim countries were ahead of the world in their medical practices during the European Middle Ages.

You can get vitamin D from food, and calcium from milk. You don't need the sun.

i was responding to your attempt to change the subject by interjecting this ridiculous notion and you still ignore this is a culture that subjects women and believes it is acceptable for female circumcision...remember, this thread is not about the burqa it can also be about...

child brides
female genitalia mutilation
honor killings (not exclusively but out number male honor killings by far)
all directed and subjected to the female

and since you don't like wiki...maybe nat'l geographic would be sufficient for you

Thousands of Women Killed for Family "Honor"
Hillary Mayell
for National Geographic News
February 12, 2002

Thousands of Women Killed for Family "Honor"

 

[waitasec]

don't know, don't care. in the eyes of most Muslims, it's not a requirement. for those who feel it's a requirement, they don't care who introduced it either.

i care.

 

[waitasec]

female circumcision IS NOT A PART OF SHARI'AH. people who perform female circumcision are doing so based on cultural grounds. any ahadith referring to female circumcision is WEAK.

can you provide statistics of rickets and severe Vitamin D deficiencies of women who wear the burqa? can you provide statistics that prove a direct correlation? ...i'll be waiting...:beach:

Women could endanger their health by wearing burqas

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1523417/
here's another one...

http://casesjournal.com/content/1/1/12

 

[Riverwolf]

i was responding to your attempt to change the subject by interjecting this ridiculous notion

That you can get vitamin D from food and calcium from milk?

and you still ignore this is a culture that subjects women and believes it is acceptable for female circumcision...remember, this thread is not about the burqa

Okay, I'll give you that one.

it can also be about...

child brides
female genitalia mutilation
honor killings (not exclusively but out number male honor killings by far)
all directed and subjected to the female

and since you don't like wiki...maybe nat'l geographic would be sufficient for you

Thousands of Women Killed for Family "Honor"
Hillary Mayell
for National Geographic News
February 12, 2002

Thousands of Women Killed for Family "Honor"

I also don't like propaganda. Problems like this exist in ALL religions and cultures, including our own. You don't have to dig very deep in order to find something to use as a demonization of any culture or religion.

After all, our culture is one that could be demonized as selfish and arrogant, uncaring about the problems of others.

Now... are you criticizing Islamic governments (religious governments have ALWAYS been more problematic than secular ones), or Islam itself? There is a difference.