Is Christianity the easiest religion?

[shunyadragon]

Therefore, you Reject the teachings of the Holy Scriptures/Bible about the Elect. The Holy Scriptures/Bible is the Christian's Holy Book. Christians Believe and Follow the Teachings of their Holy Book/Bible, otherwise they would Not Be Christian. I Am Christian Gnostic.

I am presenting a factual problem with your interpretation of 'What is the elect?' Considering the fact that there has be and will be Trillions and more people who have lived and will live on Earth. It is factual that the Bible is compiled, edited and redacted without provenance of authorship reflecting an anceint tribal worldview. thousands of years ago No relevance today concerning what we know about human nature. history and science.

Ephesians 4:6

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


I Am Asserting an Omnipotent All Powerful Elohim/God that is Unlimited. The True Elohim/God is Unlimited. It's the Same Universal Elohim/God Manifesting in Different Ways to Different People.

OK, but by far most Christians and you do not accept the religions of Billions of people through the millennia, and the concept of the elect of a limited number of people does not include them

True Religion is about Faith and has nothing to do with Facts and Science.

The problem is when subjective ancient tribal belief do not fit the matter of fact of what we know objectively of history and science.

There are differing standards in Cultures about what it means to be Good or Evil.

True, but that is the heart of the problem among the diverse and conflicting ancient religions there is not a consistent standard of good and evil considering what we know of the nature of humans today.

People know what Pure/Real Evil is in any Culture throughout history. For example, do you agree that the Rape and Murder of a Child is Pure/Real Evil in any Culture throughout history?

People believe they 'know' what Pure/Real evil in any culture. There are some common beliefs, but particularly in the ancient Abrahamic religions do not accept the standards of other religions not the factual history and science of human nature we have knowledge today. In fact disagreements as to what os moral and legal today involving serious conflict today.

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[Elihoenai]

I am presenting a factual problem with your interpretation of 'What is the elect?' Considering the fact that there has be and will be Trillions and more people who have lived and will live on Earth. It is factual that the Bible is compiled, edited and redacted without provenance of authorship reflecting an anceint tribal worldview. thousands of years ago No relevance today concerning what we know about human nature. history and science.

That's your view because you don't understand the Holy Scriptures/Bible. It's Impossible for a Non-Christian to understand the Holy Scriptures/Bible.

OK, but by far most Christians and you do not accept the religions of Billions of people through the millennia, and the concept of the elect of a limited number of people does not include them

You are the same Not accepting the Christian Religion given your Rubbishing of the Christian Holy Book. Muslims don't accept Christianity, otherwise they would be Christian. Jews Practising Judaism don't accept Christianity, otherwise they would be Christian. The Religion that you Accept is the Religion that you Practice.

Christianity is the Superior Religion. Elohim/God Created All the Religions. Truth can be found in Every Religion.

The problem is when subjective ancient tribal belief do not fit the matter of fact of what we know objectively of history and science.

Elohim/God Created All the Tribes and the Different Cultures. Elohim/God is Creator of All Things. True Religion is not Limited by History. Facts and Science is Limited to the Physical World.

True, but that is the heart of the problem among the diverse and conflicting ancient religions there is not a consistent standard of good and evil considering what we know of the nature of humans today.

Genesis 3:5

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


That's Correct. There is Not a Consistent Standard of Good and Evil because everybody is Eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

People believe they 'know' what Pure/Real evil in any culture. There are some common beliefs, but particularly in the ancient Abrahamic religions do not accept the standards of other religions not the factual history and science of human nature we have knowledge today. In fact disagreements as to what os moral and legal today involving serious conflict today.

Yet you, @shunyadragon, have not answered this Critical question: Do you agree that the Rape and Murder of a Child is Pure/Real Evil in any Culture throughout history? Another example, would be Serial Killing for Pleasure. Do you agree that Serial Killing for Pleasure is Pure/Real Evil in any Culture throughout history?

 

[Muffled]

Is "Christianism" anything other than "the term Muffled invented to describe Christian groups he doesn't like"?

I invented the term because some people don't seem to be able to see the difference without having it spelled out for them. I don't go by things I like. I go by what God says.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Do you agree that the Rape and Murder of a Child is Pure/Real Evil in any Culture throughout history?

It’s not according to the Bible.

 

[Elihoenai]

It’s not according to the Bible.

This is a Bold and Profound Answer that appears to be False.

Are you able to provide examples that the Rape and Murder of a Child, according to the Bible, is Not Pure/Real Evil?

 

[Elihoenai]

It’s not according to the Bible.

The Elohim/God in the Holy Scriptures/Bible Teaches that Sin is Evil Works of the Devil/Satan.

Are you, @Kelly of the Phoenix, asserting that, according to the Bible, the Rape and Murder of a Child is Not Sin? Are you asserting that the Bible does not teach Sin is Evil? Apparently, you are Not able to support with examples in the Bible what appears to be a False Claim.

 

[bobhikes]

"Christianity is easier to follow than Islam or Judaism"

To what extent is this true?

I mean the Jews have over 600 commandments and the Moslems have to ritually pray five times a day and fast during Ramadan

There are also no dietary rules and no need for men to be circumcised

I am not asking if it is easy:

I am asking if it is the easiest religion to follow, out of those with whom it is usually lumped together with

I'd be interested to hear from people who are knowledgeable about religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism - do you think Christianity is easier than those religions?

In my opinion Christianity is the hardest to follow. Christ basically gave only 2 commandments. Love of God above all else. Love of Neighbor as yourself.

Love of God above all else, basically means nothing else in this life matters. If you worship Money, Family, Friends, etc. and put them before God you are wrong. He enforced these commands many times in the Gospel. "It is easier to put a camel through the eye of a needle than it is to put a rich man in heaven". "Give to Ceasar what is Ceasars give to God what is God's. "So if your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand or one foot than to be thrown into eternal fire with both of your hands and feet."

What has happened is because of how hard these two commandments really are Christians fall back on the Ten Commandments. They create work arounds but basically Jesus wanted everyone to be a disciple not just a participant. Read the Imitation of Christ by Thomas Kemps it basically explains how a true Christian should be. The truth is today's Christians are not Jesus's Christians in my opinion.

 

[Elihoenai]

In my opinion Christianity is the hardest to follow. Christ basically gave only 2 commandments. Love of God above all else. Love of Neighbor as yourself.

Love of God above all else, basically means nothing else in this life matters. If you worship Money, Family, Friends, etc. and put them before God you are wrong. He enforced these commands many times in the Gospel. "It is easier to put a camel through the eye of a needle than it is to put a rich man in heaven". "Give to Ceasar what is Ceasars give to God what is God's. "So if your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand or one foot than to be thrown into eternal fire with both of your hands and feet."

What has happened is because of how hard these two commandments really are Christians fall back on the Ten Commandments. They create work arounds but basically Jesus wanted everyone to be a disciple not just a participant. Read the Imitation of Christ by Thomas Kemps it basically explains how a true Christian should be. The truth is today's Christians are not Jesus's Christians in my opinion.

Matthew 15:8-9

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Those 2 Commands summed up All the Christian Teachings. The Real Meaning of the 2 Commands have been Lost to 2.2 Billion of Christians in Christendom because of the Traditions of the Universal Roman Catholic Church. Yet, the Universal Roman Catholic Church is Elohim's/God's Ordained Church on the Earth.

There are Niche Roman Catholic Orders where Few are practising Spiritual Christianity.


Thomas à Kempis

Thomas à Kempis (c. 1380 – 25 July 1471;[2] German: Thomas von Kempen; Dutch: Thomas van Kempen[3]) was a German-Dutch canon regular of the late medieval period and the author of The Imitation of Christ, published anonymously in Latin in the Netherlands c. 1418–1427, one of the most popular and best known Christian devotional books. His name means "Thomas of Kempen",[a] Kempen being his home town.

He was a member of the Modern Devotion, a spiritual movement during the late medieval period, and a follower of Geert Groote and Florens Radewyns, the founders of the Brethren of the Common Life.

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[IndigoChild5559]

In my opinion Christianity is the hardest to follow. Christ basically gave only 2 commandments. Love of God above all else. Love of Neighbor as yourself.

Love of God above all else, basically means nothing else in this life matters. If you worship Money, Family, Friends, etc. and put them before God you are wrong. He enforced these commands many times in the Gospel. "It is easier to put a camel through the eye of a needle than it is to put a rich man in heaven". "Give to Ceasar what is Ceasars give to God what is God's. "So if your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand or one foot than to be thrown into eternal fire with both of your hands and feet."

What has happened is because of how hard these two commandments really are Christians fall back on the Ten Commandments. They create work arounds but basically Jesus wanted everyone to be a disciple not just a participant. Read the Imitation of Christ by Thomas Kemps it basically explains how a true Christian should be. The truth is today's Christians are not Jesus's Christians in my opinion.

The commandments to love God and love your neighbor as yourself are quotes straight out of the Torah. So are the 10 commandments. How then can you use these commandments to say that Christianity is harder than Judaism?

 

[bobhikes]

The commandments to love God and love your neighbor as yourself are quotes straight out of the Torah. So are the 10 commandments. How then can you use these commandments to say that Christianity is harder than Judaism?

As I understand from my Jewish Friends, Moses laws are what are most important. Perhaps they are from a non-standard Jewish sect. Also I am implying true Christen's should not Follow the 10 commandments as law but the 2 Commandments of Christ as they are more powerful and include the 10 commandments in them. It is also my understanding of Judaism that it is about the Jewish people, and it gives allowances for earthly practices. True Christianity is about discipleship and apostleship being foremost to the point of abandoning all your earthly ties for a life in Heaven.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

As I understand from my Jewish Friends, Moses laws are what are most important. Perhaps they are from a non-standard Jewish sect. Also I am implying true Christen's should not Follow the 10 commandments as law but the 2 Commandments of Christ as they are more powerful and include the 10 commandments in them. It is also my understanding of Judaism that it is about the Jewish people, and it gives allowances for earthly practices. True Christianity is about discipleship and apostleship being foremost to the point of abandoning all your earthly ties for a life in Heaven.

You are not following the logic. The statement was made that Christianity was the hardest religion to follow because they have two commandments: Love God and your neighbor as yourself. But these exact same two commandments are directly from the Torah, which means they are commandments for those following Judaism as well. So it makes no rational sense to use them as the reason why Christianity is more difficult.

 

[bobhikes]

You are not following the logic. The statement was made that Christianity was the hardest religion to follow because they have two commandments: Love God and your neighbor as yourself. But these exact same two commandments are directly from the Torah, which means they are commandments for those following Judaism as well. So it makes no rational sense to use them as the reason why Christianity is more difficult.

I'd have to go into my fundamental understanding of Judaism vs Christianity. Basically what I am saying is in Judaism "An eye for an eye" is ok in Christianity "If a person hits your cheek turn and offer the other cheek". Mind you I only have a basic knowledge of Judaism and a few friends so I maybe wrong but violence can be justified in Judaism. In True Christianity violence can never be justified. I also understand that in practice current Christian churches support violence and have supported in the past, but the Christian doctrine doesn't.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I'd have to go into my fundamental understanding of Judaism vs Christianity. Basically what I am saying is in Judaism "An eye for an eye" is ok in Christianity "If a person hits your cheek turn and offer the other cheek". Mind you I only have a basic knowledge of Judaism and a few friends so I maybe wrong but violence can be justified in Judaism. In True Christianity violence can never be justified. I also understand that in practice current Christian churches support violence and have supported in the past, but the Christian doctrine doesn't.

bobhikes: "an eye for an eye" is a metaphorical way of saying htat the penalty of a crime should be perpotional to the crime. Even Christians accept that.

bobhikes: Christians ALSO understand that violence in self defense or the defense of an innocent is morally justified.

None of this addresses the point. You have gone way off topic. Again, my entrance into the thread was in response to the statement that Christianity is harder to follow because it teaches love of God and neighbor. I refuted this by reminding that Judaism also teaches this.

 

[bobhikes]

bobhikes: "an eye for an eye" is a metaphorical way of saying htat the penalty of a crime should be perpotional to the crime. Even Christians accept that.

bobhikes: Christians ALSO understand that violence in self defense or the defense of an innocent is morally justified.

None of this addresses the point. You have gone way off topic. Again, my entrance into the thread was in response to the statement that Christianity is harder to follow because it teaches love of God and neighbor. I refuted this by reminding that Judaism also teaches this.

Today's Christians seem to believe when it fits their needs self defense is justified; however, the New Testament and Jesus's teaching strictly point out that it is better to die without sin then to sin and keep on living. This is why I say it is much harder to be a True Christian, it actually goes against human nature. A true Christian is better off dying before sinning even though forgiveness is possible and should always be given to others. Christ was an example to all how you can get to heaven and he sacrificed himself for all to open the doors a true Christian is supposed to be able to do the same.

Now in practice with all religions there isn't much difference between religions because they make things easier for the followers to live with day to day occurrences because they know if they applied the full law they would lose followers and money. In my opinion today's religion are just would be world governments, I in fact believe the Catholic Church is just the remains of the Roman government. The governments of the past corrupted the words from the gospels to try to maintain power and the only way to do that is to satisfy the masses that they will be able to go to heaven in the end no matter how they lived. The New testament at least gives a really small number for people that are actually going to heaven. I'm not sure is the Tora has any such number.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

the New Testament and Jesus's teaching strictly point out that it is better to die without sin then to sin and keep on living.

Standard Jewish law is that if a life is at stake, we are required to break the commandment in order to save the life.

 

[Elihoenai]

As I understand from my Jewish Friends, Moses laws are what are most important. Perhaps they are from a non-standard Jewish sect. Also I am implying true Christen's should not Follow the 10 commandments as law but the 2 Commandments of Christ as they are more powerful and include the 10 commandments in them. It is also my understanding of Judaism that it is about the Jewish people, and it gives allowances for earthly practices. True Christianity is about discipleship and apostleship being foremost to the point of abandoning all your earthly ties for a life in Heaven.

Genesis 13:2

2 And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold.


@bobhikes I have had a look and your profile and see that there is No Statement of your Religion, What is your Religion?

Yes, True Christianity is the Hardest Religion because it's all about abandoning Earthly Ties. Are you Abandoning Earthly Ties? Do you think a person can Live Without Earthly Possessions? Can you have Earthly Possessions Without Being Tied to Them? In Marriage between Man and Woman this appears Impossible because you become Tied to One Another's Earthly Body.

Should a Disciple of Christ/Messiah Seek to be Rich or Poor? Elohim/God made Abraham Rich because of his Obedience.

 

[bobhikes]

Genesis 13:2

2 And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold.


@bobhikes I have had a look and your profile and see that there is No Statement of your Religion, What is your Religion?

Yes, True Christianity is the Hardest Religion because it's all about abandoning Earthly Ties. Are you Abandoning Earthly Ties? Do you think a person can Live Without Earthly Possessions? Can you have Earthly Possessions Without Being Tied to Them? In Marriage between Man and Woman this appears Impossible because you become Tied to One Another's Earthly Body.

Should a Disciple of Christ/Messiah Seek to be Rich or Poor? Elohim/God made Abraham Rich because of his Obedience.

I'm not sure why my religion matter's, I grew up Roman catholic, 16 years of CCD studies, Alter Boy 2 years, Lector 3 years, became unsatisfied, Tried Baptist, Greek Orthodox catholic, Unitarian, I then studied the TAO, and Budism, stuck my head in most religious doctrine during my seaching period. Was a strict Atheist for a little bit, then Agnostic with a belief in a God just not one supported by any religion, and now I consider myself a Realistic Atheist but who knows what I'll be tomorrow I am open to change.

Not sure if your Abraham statement is about Christianity or Not, but I don't consider statements from the Old Testament to be applicable to Christs teaching. In the Old Testament you are still waiting for the messiah to save you. The New Testament is how you will be saved emulating the life of the savior. Anyone that claims to be a Christian should read the Imitation of Christ as I mentioned in one of my other posts. It is sanctioned by most Christian religions, just not considered Doctrine. It is a small book easy to read.

 

[bobhikes]

Standard Jewish law is that if a life is at stake, we are required to break the commandment in order to save the life.

And yet Israel is taking lives almost daily. Perhaps that is what is leading to my confusion. Even though Catholics were the same with the crusades, it is now taught as a wrong by the church. The teachings of Christ are the same today as they were in the past the only thing changed is the people and the church leadership. Christ has always said violence to others even your enemies is wrong.

 

[Muffled]

In my opinion Christianity is the hardest to follow. Christ basically gave only 2 commandments. Love of God above all else. Love of Neighbor as yourself.

Love of God above all else, basically means nothing else in this life matters. If you worship Money, Family, Friends, etc. and put them before God you are wrong. He enforced these commands many times in the Gospel. "It is easier to put a camel through the eye of a needle than it is to put a rich man in heaven". "Give to Ceasar what is Ceasars give to God what is God's. "So if your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand or one foot than to be thrown into eternal fire with both of your hands and feet."

What has happened is because of how hard these two commandments really are Christians fall back on the Ten Commandments. They create work arounds but basically Jesus wanted everyone to be a disciple not just a participant. Read the Imitation of Christ by Thomas Kemps it basically explains how a true Christian should be. The truth is today's Christians are not Jesus's Christians in my opinion.

I believe you are talking about Christinism which is more difficult than Christianity.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I believe you are talking about Christinism which is more difficult than Christianity.

I am sympathetic to your desire for a word that describes Christian-like religion that is not actually Christian. However, your made up word of Christianism simply doesn't exist in the dictionary, and those reading you will not know what you mean.