Is demonic possession real ?

[Massimo2002]

Secularism believes that people are evil because of psychological reasons. But some religious people believe that evil people are evil because they are controlled by Satan and his demons I am wondering witch one is true and makes more sense ? I know most people don't like to hear about Demonic possession because it invalidates free will.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I am wondering witch one is true and makes more sense ?

The former.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Secularism believes that people are evil because of psychological reasons. But some religious people believe that evil people are evil because they are controlled by Satan and his demons I am wondering witch one is true and makes more sense ? I know most people don't like to hear about Demonic possession because it invalidates free will.

I am secualr and I don't believe people are evil.
As for playing Satan, that is easy.
You are taken over by Satan and will burn in Hell And no, it is an example of how it works and not something I believe.
The problem is that the standard for truth with Satan works for all claims. So there is in effect no truth to it.

 

[PureX]

Secularism believes that people are evil because of psychological reasons. But some religious people believe that evil people are evil because they are controlled by Satan and his demons I am wondering witch one is true and makes more sense ? I know most people don't like to hear about Demonic possession because it invalidates free will.

It's mostly a matter of language and perspective.

If I take a hallucinogenic drug and have a conversation with God, does the fact that I took a drug to achieve this experience mean that I did not converse with God?

The point being that the psychological perspective and a spiritual perspective are not mutually exclusive. They're just two different ways of seeing and understanding a human experiential phenomena.

 

[Massimo2002]

It's mostly a matter of language and perspective.

If I take a hallucinogenic drug and have a conversation with God, does the fact that I took a drug to achieve this experience mean that I did not converse with God?

The point being that the psychological perspective and a spiritual perspective are not mutually exclusive. They're just two different ways of seeing and understanding a human experiential phenomena.

Two ways of understanding the unknown.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Two ways of understanding the unknown.

You properly can't understand the unknown, because if you understood, it wouldn't be unknown.

 

[Massimo2002]

You properly can't understand the unknown, because if you understood, it wouldn't be unknown.

Thanks for that correction.

 

[PureX]

You properly can't understand the unknown, because if you understood, it wouldn't be unknown.

Still, we will seek to make some sense of it. To make it fit with what we think we do know. Even to the point of 'believing' that we know the truth of it when we don't.

 

[Soandso]

Of course demon possession is real. Check out these totally real demon possessions

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Still, we will seek to make some sense of it. To make it fit with what we think we do know. Even to the point of 'believing' that we know the truth of it when we don't.

Well, yes. But with some training some aspects of the truth can be avioded and instead simply stated as "it seems to work".

 

[Massimo2002]

Well, yes. But with some training some aspects of the truth can be avioded and instead simply stated as "it seems to work".

What ?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What ?

Here is a fun one to consider. I will make it simple:
Person 1: The truth is that the universe is natural and not something else.
Person 2: The truth is that the universe is from God and not something else.
Me: I don't have to believe in either to have a life.

I.e. You don't have to believe in the truth, because a lot of people don't know the truth, yet they have lives none the less.

 

[Massimo2002]

Here is a fun one to consider. I will make it simple:
Person 1: The truth is that the universe is natural and not something else.
Person 2: The truth is that the universe is from God and not something else.
Me: I don't have to believe in either to have a life.

I.e. You don't have to believe in the truth, because a lot of people don't know the truth, yet they have lives none the less.

My life isn't fully fulfilled unless I get the definitive answer to life's biggest questions.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

My life isn't fully fulfilled unless I get the definitive answer to life's biggest questions.

Well, that is your choice. I hope it works for you.

 

[Maninthemiddle]

Secularism believes that people are evil because of psychological reasons. But some religious people believe that evil people are evil because they are controlled by Satan and his demons I am wondering witch one is true and makes more sense ? I know most people don't like to hear about Demonic possession because it invalidates free will.

Does being incarcerated invalidate free will, living under Government rule, being Married.
We were granted free will, things happen, the free will was still granted.
If I’m travelling home on a Highway and I hit a pot hole and crash, does that invalidate my right to travel that road.

 

[Massimo2002]

Does being incarcerated invalidate free will, living under Government rule, being Married.
We were granted free will, things happen, the free will was still granted.
If I’m travelling home on a Highway and I hit a pot hole and crash, does that invalidate my right to travel that road.

Those things should invalidate free will ?

 

[Maninthemiddle]

Those things should invalidate free will ?

If my Mother gives me the freedom to go to the store and my Father does not allow me, the freedom from my Mother was still granted.

 

[Quintessence]

One explanation couches itself in logos, the other in mythos. As has already been mentioned, these are not mutually exclusive and can be complementary. Logos deals in dry facts and explanations. Mythos deals in lived experience, meaning, and purpose.

 

[PureX]

Well, yes. But with some training some aspects of the truth can be avioded and instead simply stated as "it seems to work".

In the end, "it seems to work" is as much of the truth as we're going to get.

After all, isn't that the result being sought by any scientific experiment? Or by any logical course of reasoning?

 

[Massimo2002]

If my Mother gives me the freedom to go to the store and my Father does not allow me, the freedom from my Mother was still granted.

But if you're father stops you then that will of your mother is bypassed therefore restricting your free will in this scenario.