Is Donald Trump racist?

[Revoltingest]

Yes, and I have quoted definitions from Wikipedia and linked it three times here on this thread showing that "racism" simply isn't just about "race".

This would then make you a racist for your hostility towards right leaning people.
Racist!
What an utterly stupid redefinition of a formerly useful word.
There's nothing wrong the perfectly appropriate "bigotry".
Perhaps it just lacks impact....not demonizing enuf?
So it's more fun to apply the wrong word.

 

[metis]

BTW, some also tend to play word games with the term "socialism", thus ignoring its many variations: Socialism - Wikipedia

 

[idav]

"Criteria" is plural.
Match your verb!

I'm an old fogie.
I won't adopt new fangled perversions of such words.
But were I to do so, then even hating white nationalists would be "racist".
See how silly your embroadening of the definition is?

I don't find it silly at all, I'm thinking I need to change my vote from undecided. He doesn't have to say the color "brown" for people to get his point. He just uses the term "Mexican". Case in point he called an American judge a "Mexican" so maybe its trump you need to explain what "Mexican" is.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't find it silly at all, I'm thinking I need to change my vote from undecided. He doesn't have to say the color "brown" for people to get his point. He just uses the term "Mexican". Case in point he called an American judge a "Mexican" so maybe its trump you need to explain what "Mexican" is.

Ever know Mexicans?
A great many aren't at all brown.
But even so, Mexican isn't a race.
Come on....you're smarter than Metis.
Why not use the word, "bigot"?
You'd endure less grief from us obsessive pedants.

 

[metis]

I don't find it silly at all, I'm thinking I need to change my vote from undecided. He doesn't have to say the color "brown" for people to get his point. He just uses the term "Mexican". Case in point he called an American judge a "Mexican" so maybe its trump you need to explain what "Mexican" is.

Ya, and btw, I think it's about 70% or so of Mexicans are "mestizos", which is a mixture of Asian and European genes from way back when, so even if one uses the word "racism" to refer to "race", I would suggest that qualifies.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ya, and btw, I think it's about 70% or so of Mexicans are "mestizos", which is a mixture of Asian and European genes from way back when, so even if one uses the word "racism" to refer to "race", I would suggest that qualifies.

And since most Republicans are white, when you criticize them you're being a racist.
(Notice how I mocked you with the old reductio ad absurdum trick?)

 

[Underhill]

You say that a lot.
I don't think so.

So tell me, just how many hardcore socialist groups do you know of in the US? You know, in the vein of the USSR or North Korea. According to the BBC, there are 2-3000 members in the communist party NATION Wide. So if every one of them marched on Washington, it would barely make page 3. And I don't know that they are all the type of fascist socialist you are talking about. I would bet they aren't.

The curious survival of the US Communist Party - BBC News

 

[idav]

Ever know Mexicans?
A great many aren't at all brown.
But even so, Mexican isn't a race.
Come on....you're smarter than Metis.
Why not use the word, "bigot"?
You'd endure less grief from us obsessive pedants.

I'm not the one misusing the nationality term. Trump did when saying bad things about a judge for being "Mexican" and "Hispanic".
Who Is Judge Gonzalo Curiel, The Man Trump Attacked For His Mexican Ancestry?

So his misuse is in fact racist cause he doesn't mean nationality, that's an American judge.

 

[james dixon]

yes

 

[Falvlun]

And since most Republicans are white, when you criticize them you're being a racist.
(Notice how I mocked you with the old reductio ad absurdum trick?)

This doesn't work.

For example, if there are rapists who happen to also be Mexican, I am not being racist by condemning rapists.

However, if I condemn Mexicans as a group as being prone to raping, then I am being racist.

 

[idav]

Ever know Mexicans?

Your talking to half of one lol.

 

[Stevicus]

Ya, and btw, I think it's about 70% or so of Mexicans are "mestizos", which is a mixture of Asian and European genes from way back when, so even if one uses the word "racism" to refer to "race", I would suggest that qualifies.

Mexico's traditional system of defining race was rather convoluted and complicated. It seems they had a word for each race and every possible combination: Peninsulares, Indios, Mestizos, Castizos, Cholos, Pardos, Mulatos, Zambos, etc. Suffice to say, Mexico has quite a diverse population, and there is still a measure of racism, as demonstrated by what happened in Oaxaca a while back.

Even within families, one can see marked differences, since they have both Native and European genes which can vary as to how they turn out.

When it comes to relations between Mexico and the United States, "race" was not really a factor as much as "nationality." It wasn't "white" vs. "black," but "Hispanic" vs. "Anglo" - along with an ongoing border dispute which has lasted more than 170 years. It wouldn't matter if they were white, brown, black, or green - there would still be that border dispute and the rivalry between nationalities, no different than has existed among rival nations in Europe. Just as England and Spain were mortal enemies at one time, their colonial descendants carried it on across the pond.

 

[metis]

Suffice to say, Mexico has quite a diverse population, and there is still a measure of racism, as demonstrated by what happened in Oaxaca a while back.

Absolutely.

When it comes to relations between Mexico and the United States, "race" was not really a factor as much as "nationality."

But that still fits the definition of "racism" as far as how it is used nowadays:
"Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity." -- Racism - Wikipedia

 

[Stevicus]

Absolutely.

But that still fits the definition of "racism" as far as how it is used nowadays:
"Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity." -- Racism - Wikipedia

True enough, although some of that may be due to older definitions of "race." There was once a time where people might have said the "French race" or the "Italian race," but I don't think it's used that way anymore.

Either way, to discriminate against or otherwise mistreat someone based on an immutable condition of birth is just as egregious and despicable - regardless of what anyone chooses to call it.

 

[Revoltingest]

This doesn't work.
For example, if there are rapists who happen to also be Mexican, I am not being racist by condemning rapists.
However, if I condemn Mexicans as a group as being prone to raping, then I am being racist.

That's not the kind of thing we're arguing about.
It's about broadening the term "racism" to include many
things other than race, eg, culture, country, religion.

 

[Revoltingest]

Your talking to half of one lol.

Which half....top, bottom, left, right?

 

[Falvlun]

That's not the kind of thing we're arguing about.
It's about broadening the term "racism" to include many
things other than race, eg, culture, country, religion.

Right. And your example demonstrated that you didn't quite understand how it's being used in that broadened sense.

 

[Revoltingest]

Right. And your example demonstrated that you didn't quite understand how it's being used in that broadened sense.

Let's agree to disagree.

 

[idav]

It's about broadening the term "racism" to include many
things other than race, eg, culture, country, religion.

Thats a bit of a misrepresentation of the argument, but your close.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thats a bit of a misrepresentation of the argument, but your close.

You think so?
Unless I'm misremembering this morning's posts, I'd say you're the one missing what's going on.
Btw, what does "your close" mean?