Is Einstein in hell for Hiroshima?

[McBell]

Gandhi's followers did the killing for him, if I am correct.

source please

 

[PruePhillip]

source please

Gandhi Is Deeply Revered, But His Attitudes On Race And Sex Are Under Scrutiny : NPR
In 1903, when Gandhi was in South Africa, he wrote that white people there should be "the predominating race." He also said black people "are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals."
... In his late 70s, before he died at 78, he slept naked with his grandniece when she was in her late teens. He said he wanted to test his willpower to abstain from sex.


QotD: Gandhi’s not-so-non-violent followers « Quotulatiousness
India’s Nobel Prize-winning poet, Rabindranath Tagore, had sensed a strong current of nihilism in Gandhi almost from his first days, and as early as 1920 wrote of Gandhi’s “fierce joy of annihilation,” which Tagore feared would lead India into hideous orgies of devastation — which ultimately proved to be the case. Robert Payne has said that there was unquestionably an “unhealthy atmosphere” among many of Gandhi’s fanatic followers, and that Gandhi’s habit of going to the edge of violence and then suddenly retreating was fraught with danger. “In matters of conscience I am uncompromising,” proclaimed Gandhi proudly. “Nobody can make me yield.” The judgment of Tagore was categorical. Much as he might revere Gandhi as a holy man, he quite detested him as a politician and considered that his campaigns were almost always so close to violence that it was utterly disingenuous to call them nonviolent.
For every satyagraha true believer, moreover, sworn not to harm the adversary or even to lift a finger in his own defense, there were sometimes thousands of incensed freebooters and skirmishers bound by no such vow. Gandhi, to be fair, was aware of this, and nominally deplored it — but with nothing like the consistency shown in the movie.

Some guy was interviewed on our Aust ABC about Gandhi. He said more people died under his rule than under Mao and Stalin. I can't quite figure
out what he meant. I thought it was something to do with Gandhi's return of India to rural life and the rejection of heavy industry and industrial farming.
For the life of me I can't find it on the internet - too many sycophants writing about the oddball.

 

[McBell]

Gandhi Is Deeply Revered, But His Attitudes On Race And Sex Are Under Scrutiny : NPR
In 1903, when Gandhi was in South Africa, he wrote that white people there should be "the predominating race." He also said black people "are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals."
... In his late 70s, before he died at 78, he slept naked with his grandniece when she was in her late teens. He said he wanted to test his willpower to abstain from sex.


QotD: Gandhi’s not-so-non-violent followers « Quotulatiousness
India’s Nobel Prize-winning poet, Rabindranath Tagore, had sensed a strong current of nihilism in Gandhi almost from his first days, and as early as 1920 wrote of Gandhi’s “fierce joy of annihilation,” which Tagore feared would lead India into hideous orgies of devastation — which ultimately proved to be the case. Robert Payne has said that there was unquestionably an “unhealthy atmosphere” among many of Gandhi’s fanatic followers, and that Gandhi’s habit of going to the edge of violence and then suddenly retreating was fraught with danger. “In matters of conscience I am uncompromising,” proclaimed Gandhi proudly. “Nobody can make me yield.” The judgment of Tagore was categorical. Much as he might revere Gandhi as a holy man, he quite detested him as a politician and considered that his campaigns were almost always so close to violence that it was utterly disingenuous to call them nonviolent.
For every satyagraha true believer, moreover, sworn not to harm the adversary or even to lift a finger in his own defense, there were sometimes thousands of incensed freebooters and skirmishers bound by no such vow. Gandhi, to be fair, was aware of this, and nominally deplored it — but with nothing like the consistency shown in the movie.

Some guy was interviewed on our Aust ABC about Gandhi. He said more people died under his rule than under Mao and Stalin. I can't quite figure
out what he meant. I thought it was something to do with Gandhi's return of India to rural life and the rejection of heavy industry and industrial farming.
For the life of me I can't find it on the internet - too many sycophants writing about the oddball.

Thank you

 

[metis]

Gandhi's followers did the killing for him, if I am correct.

As with any group, not all who believed in Gandhi did what he taught. Gandhi taught non-violence, including that which is also short of killing. He also fasted on several occasions to try and stop the violence being committed by both Muslim and Hindu alike.

 

[Revoltingest]

As with any group, not all who believed in Gandhi did what he taught. Gandhi taught non-violence, including that which is also short of killing. He also fasted on several occasions to try and stop the violence being committed by both Muslim and Hindu alike.

From a guy reported to have beaten his wife.
New biography reveals Gandhi would slap his wife behind closed doors while calling for pacifism in public, but the life of India's most famous son has yet to be given the James Boswell treatment | Daily Mail Online

 

[PruePhillip]

As with any group, not all who believed in Gandhi did what he taught. Gandhi taught non-violence, including that which is also short of killing. He also fasted on several occasions to try and stop the violence being committed by both Muslim and Hindu alike.

He pushed them to the brink of violence, then pulled back. Only many of his followers
didn't pull back - and he washed his hands of that.

 

[metis]

He pushed them to the brink of violence, then pulled back. Only many of his followers
didn't pull back - and he washed his hands of that.

Gandhi NEVER offered violence as a solution to anything. Maybe you're conflating Trump with Gandhi?

 

[PruePhillip]

Gandhi NEVER offered violence as a solution to anything. Maybe you're conflating Trump with Gandhi?

No, I am conflating history with Gandhi. And after independence he did a lot of
damage to India through his stupid beliefs about technology and industry, and
his Prince-Charles-like thinking about how people should live.

 

[metis]

No, I am conflating history with Gandhi. And after independence he did a lot of
damage to India through his stupid beliefs about technology and industry, and
his Prince-Charles-like thinking about how people should live.

If I didn't know what you were talking about, I'd never in a million years have guessed you would be talking about Gandhi. Oh well, if you're not willing to actually read what he wrote and said, then the above is what ya get. I have about 8 books on Gandhi right within arm's reach, have made presentations on him with a close friend of mine who spent a summer in India studying him and his effect on Hinduism, so we've done the homework.

He was not a perfect man by any means, often referring to his "tyrant within" that he tried to control. But he grew as time went on, and it was even to the point that so many of the Brits, some of which lost their jobs in the clothing industry because of his boycott, deeply admired him and cheered him when he visited there. And to compare him to "Prince Charles" is so bizarre.

Believe what you want, I guess.

 

[Muffled]

I believe no-one goes to Hell until the end of the world and most probably not until the final judgment.

 

[Muffled]

Einstein didn’t have anything to do with the bomb. Good thing he managed to escape the Nazis though
Even if he was directly responsible for building the bomb, he didn’t drop it on anyone. So no, assuming that hell exists, I don’t think Einstein has to worry

I believe he still has to worry if he doesn't receive Jesus as Lord and Savior.

 

[Muffled]

I wonder though, what about the inventor of dynamite? A Mr Alfred Nobel. Although does the Nobel prize cancel that out?

I believe good acts do not cancel out bad ones. Only the forgiveness of God can do that.

 

[SomeRandom]

I believe he still has to worry if he doesn't receive Jesus as Lord and Savior.

You’re entitled to your belief.

I believe good acts do not cancel out bad ones. Only the forgiveness of God can do that.

Fair enough. But the invention of dynamite isn’t even a bad act, arguably, even if it could be “canceled out.” So...

 

[Fallen Prophet]

If there is no Hell,
Then there is no bottom of Hell.
Hence, Hell has no bottom -

Proof of the "bottomless pit" (Bible). The suffering has no limit: if you have lost one kid, you can lose two kids.

Albert Einstein has called his letter to President Roosevelt (with advice to build the A-bomb) the biggest mistake of his life.

Is the inventor of the cine camera responsible for child pornography?
No. Only if he took the pictures of a naked child. Einstein has willingly helped the military. That was his concern.

Assuming, that Einstein is ABSOLUTE GENIUS (so, Albert correctly identifies his own mistakes),
the God of Love is angry at Einstein?

The letter of Einstein has started not only a peaceful use of radioactivity but a military use as well. And look, how the testing of the bombs has influenced nature and health: we have a cancer pandemic.

You are asking: why wouldn't a loving God forgive him?
There is a chance, that the anger of God if it has already started, would last an eternity.
The God, who always loves, can not become angry even for a sec.

Anger and Love are not mutually exclusive. There is such a thing as "righteous anger".

I do not believe that Einstein would go to Hell for his help in building the Atomic Bomb.