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Is every version of God a God-of-the-gaps?

Gods aren't around just for their explanatory value. People find comfort and purpose in them as well for example. I doubt there would be such bitter backlashes to scientific progress if gods were merely explanations of the unknown.
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
So, is there anything God does, has done, or can do, that is truly divine (ie. inherently unexplainable by science today and forever), or are all suspected such interventions just of the God-of-the-gaps type - a simple explanation and an easy way out to explain stuff we do not yet understand?

And if God cannot affect the physical world, what reason is there to believe that it is real?

Nope.

None, really.

Confirmation bias of yet another atheist attained :)
 

ruffen

Active Member
Well there seems to be three distinct ways of looking at God, and only two of them is the God-of-the-gaps:

- God-of-the-true-gaps: "he created the Universe", "he created life on Earth", "he gave us consciousness, intelligence, and free will", "he removed the cancer of a woman who had a picture of Mother Teresa", "the world is so complex that it must be intelligently designed", etc.

All these are examples of not-yet-understood or poorly understood phenomena that are attributed to God. Nobody knows, therefore God.


- God-of-the-false-gaps: "he makes the tides go in and out", "he makes the sun rise", "he made humans, because evolution is just a theory", "he made the Sun and Moon", "he made me win my football game", "an image of how I think virgin Mary looked like appeared on my toast", etc.

All these are examples of scientifically well understood phenomena that many still think are mysterious. Many grossly underestimate how much science actually knows. I personally do not know, therefore God.


- God-because-it-would-be-nice: "he gives meaning to my life", "I need something to believe in", "he gives me comfort when I think about death", "he gives me comfort in hard or dangerous phases of my life", "he gives me the feeling that someone is listening to me and understands me", "I've spent 50 years believing, so if I stop now it'll be like admitting that I've been wrong all these years, so it's better to keep believing", "I believe because my parents and grandparents believe", "I really need this to deal with life", etc.

All these are non-explanations as to a good reason to believe ("proof") God actually exists, but gives a good insight into the real reason why many feel the need to believe in something. It reminds me of Sam Harris' example of a man believing that there is a diamond the size of a refrigerator buried in his garden. When asked why he believes that, he replies: "the belief that the diamond is there gives meaning to my life", "I really need to have hope that there is a diamond buried in my back yard", "every Sunday the entire family digs for the diamond and it's a great nice tradition which has been done for generations", "I feel the diamond within, so in a way, we find it every time we dig for it", etc. It comforts me, therefore God.
 
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ruffen

Active Member
The clever thing about the "God-because-it-would-be-nice", is that it is truly non-disprovable. Any God that is supposed to perform any kind of action within the Universe, is in principle detectable. Each phenomenon that God is supposed to be responsible for, is possible to disprove when one learns the true cause for the phenomenon.

But the abstract God that does not actually do stuff but makes you less afraid of the dark, actually does exist.... in your head.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Well there seems to be three distinct ways of looking at God, and only two of them is the God-of-the-gaps:

Hmm, my fourth way discussed in my previous post seems to have fallen off the radar (possibly conveniently for some).

God-of-the-Evidence…...This way comes from serious study of the paranormal and spiritual masters and teachings of the east. This universe is all One consciousness and it is our minds that see it all as separate things.


I said the following in my previous post:

I think to account for things that are currently referred to as 'paranormal', science of the future will expand to include things we commonly refer to as 'paranormal' now; like soul bodies, super-physical planes of existence, etc.. At that point science will merge with what eastern spiritual masters have been saying all along.

It's all science but the paranormal and spiritual masters have shown me our current science has only gone an inch deep and our universe is a foot deep.



Even Sam Harris, who you quoted, takes an agnostic view of this God concept. Pretty strong words from one of the arch-bishops of atheism. His specialty is criticizing dualistic (God and creation are separate) concepts and not non-dualistic concepts (God and creation are not-two).
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
- God-because-it-would-be-nice: "he gives meaning to my life", "I need something to believe in", "he gives me comfort when I think about death", "he gives me comfort in hard or dangerous phases of my life", "he gives me the feeling that someone is listening to me and understands me", "I've spent 50 years believing, so if I stop now it'll be like admitting that I've been wrong all these years, so it's better to keep believing", "I believe because my parents and grandparents believe", "I really need this to deal with life", etc.

All these are non-explanations as to a good reason to believe ("proof") God actually exists, but gives a good insight into the real reason why many feel the need to believe in something. It reminds me of Sam Harris' example of a man believing that there is a diamond the size of a refrigerator buried in his garden. When asked why he believes that, he replies: "the belief that the diamond is there gives meaning to my life", "I really need to have hope that there is a diamond buried in my back yard", "every Sunday the entire family digs for the diamond and it's a great nice tradition which has been done for generations", "I feel the diamond within, so in a way, we find it every time we dig for it", etc. It comforts me, therefore God.
Well, isn't that special?!
The trouble with this is that it's not the belief that gives meaning, nor is it some "need for hope." And it's not a "nice tradition," nor is it an ineffable "feeling."
The diamond mine is there; take-aways are produced every time one goes seriously looking, and it's as much part of one's reality as the sun in the sky.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Is there anything at all in nature you can attribute to a deity?


I didnt think so.

Scientifically deities do not exist, and they are a human creation.
Not quite right. Science has not conclusively disproven the existence of Deity.
 

Enai de a lukal

Well-Known Member
Why would we take away the universe?
Um, what? I'm saying conceptually, let's bracket the physical universe- now what of God is left over? I'm just asking what else is God, since you said that God is the physical universe, but is also in some sense more than that. I'm just curious what that something more consists in.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
What is the cause of the non-intelligent virus?

Probably non-intelligent matter, intelligence has to start somewhere. What good is saying intelligence requires intelligence when infinite regress would then be the issue?
 
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