Is evolution vs creationism that important.

[bobhikes]

In another thread someone said that I would be suprised how much evolution effect my life today. I would like to be suprised. I believe in evolution however I don't see whether evolving or being created affect mylife today except from a religious stand point. I know evolution has helped Doctors and scientists with how the human body works. But what does it do for me today vs if we were created. I would like to be enlightened.

 

[Inky]

The medical advances are exactly it--we can use our understanding of evolution and genetics to reduce the number of people born with inherited diseases, through genetic testing for couples.

We also eliminate diseases from some domestic animals through selective breeding. For example, a lab I used to work at used a combination of genetic testing and selective breeding to create a strain of dalmatian dogs that don't have bladder problems from high levels of uric acid, which is a very common issue for dalmatians. Without our knowledge of evolution we wouldn't have known how to do that.

 

[painted wolf]

here is a very brief list, I'll add to it later when I have time.

Relevance of Evolution
How does evolution affect me and my children?

wa:do

 

[bobhikes]

here is a very brief list, I'll add to it later when I have time.

Relevance of Evolution
How does evolution affect me and my children?

wa:do

I am not saying that evolution can not explain why germs and bugs are getting stronger and resitant it makes a great case for that, but God could have just made the bugs and germs stronger as well and we would have to deal with it.

I guess I am asking other than understanding how it all began how is evolution helping us where as a God that goes poof here's something new to explain doesn't.

We do not know all the links in the developement of man. We can not predict what the next evolutionary change will be. Once born we do not evolve during our life.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I'm more concerned about positivism, personally.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's important to understand and respect the importance of not just evolution but science in general. It's about valuing knowledge and honesty.

 

[tomspug]

Evolution is one of the most least-valuable sciences of our time (a science that takes place on a macro level with apparently no visible impact on the life-span of a human being). But it sure makes for some ridiculous 3D television programs!

 

[Magic Man]

I am not saying that evolution can not explain why germs and bugs are getting stronger and resitant it makes a great case for that, but God could have just made the bugs and germs stronger as well and we would have to deal with it.

I guess I am asking other than understanding how it all began how is evolution helping us where as a God that goes poof here's something new to explain doesn't.

We do not know all the links in the developement of man. We can not predict what the next evolutionary change will be. Once born we do not evolve during our life.

First, evolution doesn't explain how it all began, just how it got to be the way it is after it began.

Second, the point is that if we didn't know about evolution, we wouldn't have all of the medical advances that have gone along with it and the basic understanding of our world that it fosters.

We pretty much know all of the steps in the development of humans. There is no missing link because the process is so slow. We have fossils and other evidence that show us what all of the steps in our evolution were.

We can predict what the next evolutionary change will be. It will be to better adapt to our surroundings. No, we can't say that we'll grow a third leg or a third eye or something, but that's not how it works.

 

[Magic Man]

Evolution is one of the most least-valuable sciences of our time (a science that takes place on a macro level with apparently no visible impact on the life-span of a human being). But it sure makes for some ridiculous 3D television programs!

So, you don't consider all of the medical advances of the past 50+ years to be valuable?

Out of curiosity, what do you think is one of the "more valuable sciences of our time"? And what is our time?

 

[bobhikes]

I'm more concerned about positivism, personally.

You always give something to think about. Read a brief on positivism no sure about its importance yet something I would have to study more.

 

[bobhikes]

First, evolution doesn't explain how it all began, just how it got to be the way it is after it began.

Second, the point is that if we didn't know about evolution, we wouldn't have all of the medical advances that have gone along with it and the basic understanding of our world that it fosters.

We pretty much know all of the steps in the development of humans. There is no missing link because the process is so slow. We have fossils and other evidence that show us what all of the steps in our evolution were.

We can predict what the next evolutionary change will be. It will be to better adapt to our surroundings. No, we can't say that we'll grow a third leg or a third eye or something, but that's not how it works.

Medical advances where made with out the knowledge of evolution and besides I am asking How it effects me today not How it has effected me before today.

All evolutionary traits are not better at first. It may change 100 things that fail until 1 finally succeeds and it may just be different not better but well liked by the species for instance a new color of skin or eyes.

 

[Father Heathen]

Evolution is one of the most least-valuable sciences of our time (a science that takes place on a macro level with apparently no visible impact on the life-span of a human being). But it sure makes for some ridiculous 3D television programs!

I think understanding genetics and biology is kind of important. And even if it didn't directly impact our lives, having knowledge the world is preferable to wallowing in ignorance and falsehood.

 

[gnomon]

It's about how one thinks.

It's about, as Father Heathen states, the ability to understand science, the world and ourselves far more than any religion, myth or half naked twit bouncing around in their underwear has ever hoped to achieve.

It's not what it does for you but what your level of understanding can do for you.

 

[tomspug]

I think understanding biology is kind of important.

I agree that biology is absolutely important, but the macro-aspect of biology is INTERESTING, but interesting doesn't make it important.

 

[Magic Man]

Medical advances where made with out the knowledge of evolution and besides I am asking How it effects me today not How it has effected me before today.

Then your quesiton makes no sense. It's not affecting you today, unless you are sick.

Yes, medical advances have been made before without the knowledge of evolution, but many, many more have been made with that knowledge, and wouldn't have been without it.

All evolutionary traits are not better at first. It may change 100 things that fail until 1 finally succeeds and it may just be different not better but well liked by the species for instance a new color of skin or eyes.

I didn't say better, I said "better-adapted". This is not about the species liking the new trait or not. Evolution is about evolving to be better-suited to the environment. For instance, a certain species of fish evolved legs a long time ago to adapt to marshy areas because that helped it to survive by getting away from other fish. This isn't about what we think is "good" or "bad", just what's useful.

And 100 things don't change until one finally succeeds. Something changes and then changes some more and then changes some more. Depending on the changes in the environment during that time, those changes might stop or go in reverse, too.

 

[bobhikes]

I think understanding genetics and biology is kind of important. And even if it didn't directly impact our lives, having knowledge the world is preferable to wallowing in ignorance and falsehood.

The problem most people make is that no one wants to be ignorant and living lies. There is a large portion of the world that likes this. They are just concerned with day to day life and would be very happy to have a Rich uncle take care of them and tell them what to do and what to believe all there lives.

We are the ones that aren't satisfied with that but we are the rarity.

 

[Magic Man]

I agree that biology is absolutely important, but the macro-aspect of biology is INTERESTING, but interesting doesn't make it important.

So, what you're saying is that one aspect of the theory is nothing more than interesting to you? How about the aspect of it that allowed us to make so many medical advances and understand the world so much better in general?

 

[Magic Man]

The problem most people make is that no one wants to be ignorant and living lies. There is a large portion of the world that likes this. They are just concerned with day to day life and would be very happy to have a Rich uncle take care of them and tell them what to do and what to believe all there lives.

We are the ones that aren't satisfied with that but we are the rarity.

I disagree. I'm sure there are some people like that, but it's certainly not the majority. Most people like the knowledge they've gained, and wouldn't want to give it up. Some people just fear change, and so avoid learning new things so that they don't have to change. That doesn't mean they wouldn't be happier with the new knowledge, just that they are too afraid to even try it out.

 

[tomspug]

So, what you're saying is that one aspect of the theory is nothing more than interesting to you? How about the aspect of it that allowed us to make so many medical advances and understand the world so much better in general?

Are you talking about genetics? Are you talking about biology? These are valuable sciences that shape our world NOW. How does the theory of evolution do this? To me, it seems only to appease our nagging "why" questions that fill this world, but it doesn't actually solve any problems.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

You always give something to think about. Read a brief on positivism no sure about its importance yet something I would have to study more.

It's a movement in philosophy that seeks to reduce knowledge to the simplest propositions that are mathematically precise.

In the end, the striving for truth is forgone for knowledge that one can barely grasp.