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Is existence possible without God?

camanintx

camanintx

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maty said:
Perhaps you'll be interested to read about the big bang by Yusuf Estes here:

The Big Bang
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Yusuf Estes has an odd understanding of the 'Big Bang Theory'.

Yusuf Estes said:
There is a popular theory referred to as the 'Big Bang' theory. It tries to explain the existence of the universe in an evolutionary manner having an initial beginning with an immense explosion of some gases or solid mass. Some say there first was a void or a 'nothingness', or perhaps, some gases which exploded then from this everything in the universe simply began to evolve to the stage that we see now. There has never really been any solid evidence for this idea of 'something out of nothing' concept. Nor for that matter, the evolutionary theory itself.
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Here is a better explanation of what cosmologists think.
Notice that there is really no "explosion" and gases and matter did not exist until about 3 seconds afterwards.
 
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maty

Member
Yusuf Estes's understanding of the big bang is the right and the logical understanding!!!!. Simply because it originates from what GOD the all knowing ,the all mighty said .
And nobody can pretend knowing more than Him ; The creator /
He who said :
66. but why dispute ye In matters of which ye have no knowledge? it is Allah who knows, and ye who know not!
 
McBell

McBell

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maty said:
Yusuf Estes's understanding of the big bang is the right and the logical understanding!!!!. Simply because it originates from what GOD the all knowing ,the all mighty said .
And nobody can pretend knowing more than Him ; The creator /
He who said :
66. but why dispute ye In matters of which ye have no knowledge? it is Allah who knows, and ye who know not!
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No it is not.
It is the same as the creationists "understanding" of evolution: A mere strawman.
 
camanintx

camanintx

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Phasmid said:
An interesting article on the issue... in fact this website is a brilliant website for various issues regarding religion and science.

A Practical Man's Proof of God - Does God Exist?
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Sorry, but this website is not that brilliant.

The atheist's assertion that matter/energy is eternal is scientifically wrong. The biblical assertion that there was a beginning is scientifically correct.
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This argument is called a false dilemma. There are other plausible answers besides these two.
 
logician

logician

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"The atheist's assertion that matter/energy is eternal is scientifically wrong"
This is not an atheist assertion, its a scientific assertion in many mutliverse theories. Belief or non-belief in a god has nothing to do with it.
 
crystalonyx

crystalonyx

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"Is existence possible without God?"

Only if a god has always existed. If it has, where was it before the big bang?
 
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maty

Member
God has always existed. He is the first and the last . He created the universe . And every thing will
end soon ,the time He wants it to end .
 
crystalonyx

crystalonyx

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maty said:
God has always existed. He is the first and the last . He created the universe . And every thing will
end soon ,the time He wants it to end .
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This post does not make sense, if god has always existed, there was not a "first".
 
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maty

Member
The first according to what we understand by first! Because He has always existed means nothing has existed before him.
 
M

maty

Member
Have you heard this anecdote?

A teacher said to his students :
- I don't believe in god. I believe only in things that I can see .The things I don't see don't exist.
He then gives examples :
- I see the blackboard so it exists / I see this student there so he exists / but I don't see god so he
doesn't exist /
A student rose his hand to ask a question; turned to his colleagues and asked :
- Do you see the teacher's mind ?
They said : no .
He said :
- Then the teacher's mind doesn't exist .
 
camanintx

camanintx

Well-Known Member
maty said:
Have you heard this anecdote?

A teacher said to his students :
- I don't believe in god. I believe only in things that I can see .The things I don't see don't exist.
He then gives examples :
- I see the blackboard so it exists / I see this student there so he exists / but I don't see god so he
doesn't exist /
A student rose his hand to ask a question; turned to his colleagues and asked :
- Do you see the teacher's mind ?
They said : no .
He said :
- Then the teacher's mind doesn't exist .
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Well, there you go. With logic this impeccable, it's a wonder there are still any atheists. :cover:
 
logician

logician

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I think most multiverse theories are trending towards matter and energy have always existed, and the multiverse is infinite. Creator gods, therefore, are not needed, except for the emotional needs of man.
 
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