However, science IMV, is a real substitute for religion for many people who have talked themselves out of "believing" and put their faith in science instead. It is argued as passionately as if their life depended on it. I can never quite understand why they need to do this. What does it matter if we believe the Bible rather than the musings of science.
Does it matter if we believe things that are true or not?
Surely all are free to believe as they wish?
I don't think that's really in question, no.
Is it really that important to pull the rug on believers when these ones have simply swapped one set of beliefs for another? Neither can be proven.
This is yet further equivocation. The fact that things in the world can't be "proven" as absolute fact doesn't mean therefore all beliefs are equally reasonable or aligned with the evidence. We should prefer a worldview that is able to accurately, testably map the world we experience, shouldn't we?
Please understand that I have no problem with substantiated, demonstrable science.....I love it, and what it opens up for us...the many wonders of creation. You see, "expert scientific opinion" is often swayed by theory, not fact. I can see that science has things that it can 'demonstrate' by experimentation such as adaptation....but to suggest that their theory of evolution goes beyond what they can prove, is not promoting scientific facts.....that is offering supposition masquerading as fact.
Incorrect. There are countless threads on this site alone where you could educate yourself on how evolution works and the ample evidence we have for it. Again, I think it's too large of a rabbit trail to go there in this thread.
I am somewhat amused that science had to give the word "theory" a new definition....if you look it up in a dictionary, it is very obvious what a theory is....a hypothesis...."a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation." As far as I can see, evolution has never stepped out of its 'hypothetical' status and on into proven fact. The truth is...there are no solid facts.
You are simply uninformed regarding the state of scientific evidence, as I said before. Regarding terminology, language changes - I actually don't know if your usage or the scientific usage is older, but it's irrelevant for the discussion here.
Is it? What if the evidence for the existence of an Intelligent Creator is very personal? It is not 'shown off' as something to make the nightly news, but quietly takes place out of the limelight.
But you could make that excuse about any zany belief. Well, no, I don't have evidence I can show you that I caught a fish 50 feet long who spoke Swahili to me...but I did! It was just a very personal experience, out of the limelight, no cameras around.
Would you accept that kind of reasoning from anyone of another religion arguing their deity is the true one and their religion is the correct one? I doubt it. So why should anyone accept it when it comes to yours?
Since the "evidence" that science presents is more about what they "believe" took place all those millions of years ago, I can see with my own eyes that we did not pop out of thin air, and neither did our universe, or our very unique home. Evidence for intelligent design is everywhere. It takes a special kind of 'blindness' to miss it IMO.
Your strawman description of "what science presents" demonstrates you really don't understand what you're arguing against. No one thinks you "popped out of thin air."
And that is the point......how do you know that it is inaccurate? Who do you believe?...and why do you believe them? Don't we all have to answer those questions?
I believe research scientists and public health professionals and organizations who have literally dedicated their careers to disseminating accurate, verifiable public health information. And the verifiable empirical research they have done to arrive at their conclusions.
How easily are our perceptions influenced?
Can we be collectively "conned"? If so....who is doing it?...and why?
Unfortunately, we can be quite easily conned, particularly if we haven't developed sound critical thinking skills and media and research literacy. I wish religious institutions taught more of that and less strawmen about people "popping out of thin air" and other such things.